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Apotelesmatics -- 第二册 (全)

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发表于 2009-10-17 00:44:25 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
西元五世纪星学经典。
本书主要以托勒密的Tetrabiblos为基底架构,但内容更为丰富且有技术面的关键性修改增编等,
并有引述其他当代占星名师之论命术法,比如Dorotheus of Sidon等大家于其中。
(特别是本书所记载之论断技巧反倒是Carmen Astrologicum所没有的,例如Dorotheus的职业论断等)
建议读者连带参阅Tetrabiblos(最好是两种版本以上,现代英语版可用)

现代英语译者为 Robert Schmidt



  •           1. Concerning Conception and Birth
  •           2. Concerning the Degree Marking the Hour
  •           3. Concerning the Dividing Up and Ordering of Natal Theory
  •           4. Concerning Parents
  •           5. On the Predeceasing of the Parents
  •           6. Concerning Siblings
  •           7. Concerning Males and Females
  •           8. Concerning Twins
  •           9. Concerning Monsters
  •           10. Concerning Those Who Go Unnourished
  •           11. Concerning the Length of Life According to the Truth and Ptolemy
  •           12. Concerning Bodily Form and Mixture
  •           13. Concerning Bodily Injuries and Ailments
  •           14. Concerning the Lot of Injury
  •           15. Concerning Quality of Soul
  •           16. Concerning Ailments of the Soul
  •           17. Concerning Fortune Pertaining to Acquisition
  •           18. Concerning Fortune Pertaining to Rank
  •           19. Concerning the Quality of Action
  •           20. Concerning Slaves
  •           21. Concerning Marriage and Sexual Union
  •           22. Concerning Children
  •           23. Concerning Friends and Enemies
  •           24. Concerning Travel Abroad
  •           25. Concerning the Quality of Death
  •           26. Concerning the Division of the Times
  •           27. Concerning the Year
  •           28. Concerning the Month and Day
  •           29. Divisions of 10 years and 9 months
  •           30. Concerning the Time-Lordship of Kronos
  •           31. Concerning the Time-Lordship of Zeus
  •           32. Concerning the Time-Lordship of Ares
  •           33. Concerning the Time-Lordship of the Sun
  •           34. Concerning the Time-Lordship of Aphrodite
  •           35. Concerning the Time-Lordship of Hermes
  •           36. Concerning the Time-Lordship of the Moon
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Book II ofHephaistio's Apotelesmatics
Prooemium

With theprimary and universal matters having been set out by us, O Athanasius, mostexcellent of friends, now it would fitting to subjoin the genethliological part[of astrology] for those who cultivate it, in accordance with each type, andespecially with a view to proof and conciseness, as much as is possible; for,the manifold character of the theory here necessitates to a certain extentusing several [approaches]. And in a truth-loving fashion we set out word forword the things thus discovered by the ancients or rendered into verse as well,while for our part we will also try to improve what has come down to us withcontinuous testing and scrutiny of a large number of nativities. And besides,some industrious lover of learning, starting from the ancient compositions andfrom these writings, may augment the art and may discover a great many truthsin relation to the foreknowledge of events for humankind. And neat we willbegin in an orderly manner, as follows.


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1. Concerning Conception and Birth

Now, they say that human conception comesabout in the square on the left of the Sun at birth in the case of births inthe tenth month (for when the Sun was there, the conception occurred), but inthe case of births in the seventh month, in the diameter. And they say that ofthese very tenth-month births, those of the longest birth are brought to termafter 288 days and 8 hours, those of the intermediate birth after 273 days and8 hours, and those of the least birth after 258 days and 8 hours; while of theseventh-month births, those of the greatest birth are after 206 days and 8hours, those of the least birth after 176 days and 8 hours, and those of theintermediate birth after 191 days and 8 hours.

The ancient Egyptians around Petosiris arestrong in their assertion that where the Moonchance to be at the birth, that [zoidion] will mark the hour for theconception; and where the Moon chances to be for the conception, this [zöidion]or the one diametrical to this will mark thehour at the birth.

Some take it in the following manner, whichdoes not seem very satisfactory to us. Multiply, they say, the pre-ascendingdegrees of the zoidion marking the hour at birth by the multitude of hours andproject the resultant degrees from the Horoskopos at thirty [per zoidion], andwherever the number should fall out, that [zoidion] will mark the hour of thesowing of the seed.


*:This procedureseems clear except for one point. We first determine the number of whole degreesof the Ascendant sign preceding the Ascendant degree in the order of signs;thus, it the Ascendant is 10 degrees, 20 minutes of Aries (or in the fourthdegree according to the Greek manner of counting), there are 10 whole degreesof Aries preceding the Ascendant. We then multiply this number of degrees bythe number of hours that have elapsed on the day of birth as of the birth timeitself, but here is where the problem arises. How do we reckon the hours? Myguess is that we should use the Greek system of seasonal hours (the system theHellenistic astrologers used for planetary hours, where for a given date of theyear the interval of daylight is divided into 12 equal "hours," andlikewise with the interval of nighttime. (In this system a diurnal “hour” isunequal in length to a nocturnal "hour" except at the equinoxes.)Thus if someone were born in the 9th diurnal hour, we would multiply the 10degrees by 9, giving us 90 degrees. Then, we project this number from theAscendant degree; in our example, the procedure would take us into Cancer, andwe would declare Cancer to be the Ascendant of the conception.
The same procedure is described in almost thesame words by Porphyry in chapter 38 of his Introduction (CCAG 5, 4).


In the case of the Moon, others havedifferent things to say. Antiochus the Athenian says that the following methodlays claim to some truth. Consider, he says, with what [degree] of the Moonsomeone was born, and add 180 to this number, and keep subtracting from thenatal month at 29 [days per month]. And for the day at which the number shouldleave off, examine where the Moon was then; for let the zoidion over which itis passing be regarded as also the very one for the conception, since it hasthe transit of the Moon.(*) And this method itself is not satisfactory in all cases, but we have set it out for the sake of practiceand for the purpose of finding the same agreement from many [methods].Nevertheless, Antigonus does not seem to have thoroughly examined the accuracyof these methods, for which reason he rejects [them] altogether.

*:(again attributedto Antiochus)is described in Porphyry's Introduction (CC4G 5, 4), although itraises some problems.
“Consider, he says, with what degree of theMoon someone was born, and add 5 to this number, and keep subtracting from thenatal month at 29 [days per month], and for the [day[ where the number leavesoft that was the [day] of the conception; then, after consulting the canon, seein what zoidion the Moon was then.”
This text has '5' where Hephaistio has 180(although see note 1 above); another Porphyry manuscript even has '10'.Furthermore, this procedure purports to be calculating the very day ofconception, although it is not clear how this could possibly be the case giventhe algorithm as it stands.


Of the methods set forth by way of preface,that of the ancient Egyptians is more satisfactory than the others; wherefore,consider this topic skillfully after the fashion of the Egyptians, thusly. Forsince (as [they] said) the point marking the hour at the birth was found incontinuous trials to possess the Moon at the conception, as also thoseobserving the time of conception find the same degree of the Moon at that timeto be marking the hour at the nativity, for this reason it is necessary toexamine the Horoskopos first, either from the canons, or else methodically bymeans of the prenatal syzygy of the childbirth, thusly.

In the case of a [prenatal] conjunction,count from the Sun up to the degree of the Moon, and taking a twelfth of theresultant degrees, subtract backwards from the solar degree; and that degreewhich it comes down to will be nearly the degree of the prenatal conjunction.And if the prenatal syzygy were a whole moon, count in a similar fashion fromthe degree diametrical to the Sun up to the Moon, and again taking a twelfth,subtract from the degrees of the Sun; and that degree at which it leaves offwill be close to the degree of the prenatal whole moon.

With the degree of the prenatal syzygy known,the day on which it occurred will be clear from the multitude of degreesbetween the syzygy and the natal Sun when they are subtracted backwards fromthe natal day, with each degree reckoned at one day. And with these thingsknown in this manner, the Horoskopos will be approximately clear. For reckonthe degrees between the prenatal syzygy and the natal Sun in order from thezoidion in which the Sun is, one degree for each zoidion, and that [place] atwhich it leaves off will be the Horoskopos.(*)It will be made precise in a methodical manner by means ofthe lunar degree of the birthday.

*:There may besomething wrong with the text here, for as it stands everyone born on the sameday would have the same ascendent in their natal charts. However, the very samealgorithm is repeated in the next chapter (just before the Anubio quotation).

And one must know that whenever the Moonshould be found upon the Horoskopos at childbirth, they say that the new-bornbabe is of an intermediate birth, that is, of 273 days, 8 hours; but if theMoon should be found in the zoidia following the Horoskopos, the babe will bebeyond the intermediate birth; and if the Moon should be found in the zoidiapreceding the Horoskopos, then it will be of fewer days than the intermediatebirth. If then the Moon should be found in the next zoidia from the Horoskopos,count from the degree of the Horoskopos to the Moon and divide the resultantdegrees by the mean daily course of the Moon, which is 13 degrees, 10 minutes;and divide the hours left over in addition to the days [by] the Moon's hourlycourse, which is 33 minutes. Add the resultant days and hours to the 273 days,8 hours of the intermediate birth, and subtract the resultant quantitybackwards from the birthday, and you will find the day of conception. But ifthe Moon should be found in the zoidia pre-ascending the hour at childbirth, doit the opposite way. Count from the Moon to the degree of the Horoskopos andlikewise divide the resultant degrees [by] themean daily and hourly course of the Moon. And subtract the resultant days andhours from the 273 days, 8 hours of the intermediate both, and subtract theremainder from the birthday; and you will roughly find the day and hour ofconception.

For the purpose of finding this out moreprecisely, count the Moon and the Sun in accordance with the day and hourdeclared for the conception. And if you should find the natal Moon in thezoidia following the Sun of the conception, say that the conception occurredduring the day; but if you should find the natal Moon in the zoidiapre-ascending the Sun of the conception, consider the conception to haveoccurred at night. Accordingly, if the concep­tion was found to be during theday, count from the Sun of the conception up to the natal Moon (the degrees inbetween); and having learned in what kind of degrees they ascend according tothe appropriate zone, (*)divide by the hourly times(*unequal hours placed next to the solar degree of that day or that inwhich the conception fell, and as many hours or portions of an hour you shouldfind, say this to be the exact hour of conception. And count the Moon exactlyfor that hour, and the degree upon which it is, is the exact degree of thenativity. And it is clear that the degree marking the hour in the Horoskopos ofthe conception will be the same as the degree of the natal Moon, as we havesaid before. If then the degree of the Moon of the conception from theaforesaid [procedures] should be found to be in accord with the degree of theHoroskopos, we say that the Horoskopos of the nativity is given exactly. But ifthe degrees should be different, and the Moon of the conception should be found to have fewer degrees than the Horoskopos foundfor the given hour, it is dear that you subtract the difference from theHoroskopos, while if it should be found to have more degrees, you add, since itis always requisite to consider that the degree marking the hour is the same asthe Moon of conception. And if the conception should be found in the night, makeit from the natal Moon up to the Sun of conception and do the same things assaid before.

*:That is, take thedifference of the ascensional times (in degrees) of the Sun of the conceptionand the natal Moon.

Of what sort are births in the seventh month and those in the eighth month may be known as follows.For, after having examined the conception day for every nativity as for birthsin the ninth month in the manner we have shown above, and the conjunctionpreceding the same day of conception, and after taking the degrees in betweenwith a third part of [these degrees], we project [them] from the conjunctionpreceding the conception. And if the number of degrees should fall beyond theday of the conjunction that occurs after the conception, we say that the infantis in the seventh month, if the number should be found to be less, in the ninthmonth.

Again, knowing the zoidion that marks thehour and the degree for the hour of the conjunction preceding of theconception, just as we learned for the ninth month [pregnancy], we frame aright angled triangle from this zoidion (clearly, the one marking the hour),having the first, subtending side [be] of 150 degrees from the Ascendant in thepreceding direction, after which the upturned side is of 120 degrees, and theremaining side consists of the remaining 90 degrees of the circle, for thefilling up of the 360 degrees of the zodiac.(*) Again, after these [matters] we will likewise investigate the degree marking the hour for the prenatalconjunction of the birthday, on what side of the three it falls; if it falls onthe subtending side, we say that the birth is of nine months; if it falls onthe [upturned] side, we say that it is of seven months; but if it falls on theupright side, we will suspect that that has been born is an irrational animalor something of an unusual nature or one who is short-lived.

*:The right trianglebeing constructed here may appear at first to be a triangle inscribed in thezodiacal circle. Yet, this cannot possibly be the case because the triangleformed by marking off an arc of 150 degrees from the Ascendant degree backwardsin zodiacal order, and likewise marking off an arc of 120 degrees from theAscendant forward in zodiacal order, and connecting the extremities of thesearcs to the Ascendant degree itself, is not a right triangle. (All righttriangles inscribed in a circle have a diameter as the hypotenuse, whichsubtends an arc of 180 degrees.) However, it is true that the three arcs of 90,120, and 150 degrees which are proportional to 3, 4. 5 respectively) havethemselves a relationship analogous to a right triangle, because if 5 is madethe long side of a triangle, 4 the side intermediate in length, and 3 the shortside, this triangle will be a right triangle (since3 + 4 = 52). Such tripletsof numbers were called "Pythagorean right triangles." Compare thelast two books of the Arithmetic a Diophantus of Alexandria.

They also consider the degrees of the twoconjunctions of the birthday and the conception; and if they should find theone conjunction upon the subtending side of the said triangle, while the otheris upon the upturned side, they say that the birth is of nine months; and ifthe one is upon the upturned side, while the other is upon the right side, oneof seven months; but if one is upon the subtending side, while the other isupon the upright side, it signifies some irrational animal or something of anunusual nature or one short-lived.

For an illustration, let someone (*Hephaistio’s) have been born in the 97th year from the reign ofDiocletian, in the 30th of Athyr(*1
at the 6th hour in thethird zone, at which hour we find the Sun in approximately the 4th degree ofSagittarius, the Moon in the 47th minute of Taurus, the Horoskopos in the 25thdegree of Aquarius. Since then the Moon is found in the zoidia following theHoroskopos, it is requisite to count from the Horoskopos up to the degree ofthe Moon, and we found 65 degrees, 47 minutes; applying these to the dailymotion of the Moon (that is, 13 degrees) we have found 5 days, and likewiseapplying the left-over 47 minutes to the mean daily motion of the Moon, wefound approximately 1 1/3 hour. We therefore added the 5 days and 1 1/3 hour tothe 273 1/3 days of the first birth and they became 278 days and 9 1/3 hours,and with these subtracted by us backwards from the birth day and hour, the 30thof Athyr at the 6th hour, it first came to the 26th to the 27th of Mecheir(*2, at the 8th nocturnal hour. With the fourth part of theintercalated day and night, 6 hours,(*3 there is found the second hour
in the 26th to the 27th day of Mechir in the96th year [of
Diocletian], at which hour wehave found the Sun in the...degree of Pisces, the Moon in the ... degree ofAquarius.

1This is the third month in theAlexandrian calendar (starting 28 October, Julian date).
2This is the sixth month in theAlexandrian calendar (starting 26 January, Julian date).
3This is the ¼ day left over froma 365 day year.

With the time of conception known either bymethod or by observation, one must make use of it for the close investigationof the properties of body and soul, from the figure of the stars at that timeand from the transmission of the environing [atmosphere]. Also, one must payattention to the birth itself as the greatest [inception] and capable ofsignifying the same things, and as lacking with respect to the inception of theconception only in this—that the circumstances prior to birth, which concernthe infant when still imperfect in the womb, can be foreknown through thatbeginning, but with the birth can be foreknown the circumstances of the man alreadymatured; whence, the conception might reasonably be called the genesis of thehuman seed, and the latter the genesis of a man. For, very many[characteristics] additionally accrue to him at that time, which were addedwhen he was in the womb. Therefore, by examining the beginning at birth, wemake conjectures more accurately from it of all the human events that happen,and here through the same study also of the properties that happen at the timeof conception.(*)

*:This last paragraphassembles a few scattered sentences and thoughts from Bk III, chapter 2 of theTetrabiblos.

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2. Concerning the Degree Marking the Hour



The truth-loving Ptolemy set out acertain method for the degree marking the hour, which we also find to besatisfactory in nearly all cases. He says that, since an impasse often arisesconcerning what is the first and most authoritative part (that is, the part ofthe hour at the time of birth), because, on the whole only observation at thevery time of birth by scientific observers with hour-marking astrolabes is able to submit the minute of the hour;whereas nearly all other hour-marking [devices] to which most of the morecareful [astrologers] pay attention are frequently capable of being utterlydeceived about the truth, the solar [devices] by occasional distor­tions of thepositions and gnomons, and the water clocks by the cessations andirregularities of the flow of water by different causes and through chance: forthis reason, it would be necessary for it to be explained beforehand, with anatural and consistent account, how one might find the degree of the zodiacthat ought to rise, with the degree marking the hour presupposed as near to agiven hour, through the method of ascensions.


It is necessary, then, to take theprenatal syzygy nearest the birth, whether it should be a conjunction or awhole moon; and when we have examined precisely the degree (if it is aconjunction clearly the degree of both the lights, if a whole moon the degree of the light that is above the earth at thetime of birth), it is necessary to see those starsthat have a rulership relation to it, with the manner of rulership in generalbeing contemplated in these five [ways]: by trigon and by domicile and byexaltation and by bound and by phase or configuration; that is, whenever theplace in question has one or most or even all of these in relation to the starthat is about to rule. If then we should find one of the stars that issituated in a familiar manner in relation to all or most of these, whateverdegree this star exactly occupies in the zoidion it is transiting at the timeof birth, we will say that just so many degrees mark the hour in the zoidionthat is found by the method of ascensions for the given hour, for in thismanner, from these degrees when they are made exact, the finer parts(*1 of the degreemarking the hour are also found to be equal in number to the position of thestar. But if we should find two or more co-ruling stars, we will make use ofthe one whose quantity of degrees chances to be nearer to the degree roughlymarking the hour (that is, we will make use of the exact quantity of degrees),and we will say that the zoidion marking the hour, marks the hour at a degreeof this zoidion equal in number. Nevertheless, if the distance of the degreesof the rulership to the degree of the rough Horoskopos should be greater than[its distance] to the like Midheaven, making use of this same number which isrelated to the culminating degree, we willthereby also place separately the remaining pivots.
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1That is, the minutes of the degree.
2This text in this paragraph is substantially thesame as that of Ptolemy’s Bk III, chapter 3, with a few amplifications, and afew abridgements near the end.


These [treatments] concerning the degree marking the hour Ptolemysets out in a skillful and natural manner. But let there also be set out, forthe sake of elaboration, the treatments published
by otherson the finding of the Horoskopos in a rough manner, if it is not possible tomake the very degree precise in the manner of the divine Ptolemy. One must,then, make use of the method set out beforehand in the account of theconception, which finds the Horoskopos in an approximate manner. For byprojecting the degrees between the prenatal syzygy and the natal Sun from theSun, giving one degree for each zoidion, the zöidion that it comes down to willbe roughly the Höroskopos.



And Anubio says the following in his elegiac verses:

The other stars aside, you may learn the hour-divider
Of the hour by examining the Moon and Great Helios.
For birth by day contrive from Helios
Finding the houses' master where stands the god,
Thence with star [groups] counted in a row
Up to the star set up over Selene,
Project this number entire from the Sun;
Where it should stop, there too the Hour-Divider.
One must subtract the number of a prior Selene
If you examine at a nocturnal hour of a theme.
If Helios should have but few degrees of the stars,
Inspect both squares and diameters of the places.

Examine, he says, the ruler of the domicile in which the Sun is, inthe case of diurnal nativities, and count zoidia from it up to the ruler of theMoon, and project the quantity of zoidiafrom the domicile in which the Sun is, and at the zoidion where this quantityshould fall out, there will be the Horoskopos. And in the case ofa nocturnal nativity, it is requisite to begin from the Moon with the same method, and to project likewise from her orfrom the Sun the quantity of intermediate zoidia.(*) And ifthe Sun, he says, chances
to be in thebeginning of the zoidia, it is requisite to examine the squares and diametersof the quantity being projected, should the Horoskopos not be upon one of them.For us, the method itself is in agreement in nearly all cases.


*:There is a certain vagueness in theverse instructions for a nocturnal nativity, perhaps accounting forHephaistio’s uncertainty as to whether the number should be projected from theSun or the Moon herself.


We must also set out another best method, which is also inagreement. It is requisite to be given beforehand whether the birth was atnight or in the day, and with this given, investigate the degree of the Sun,and always adding to it 2 ½ degrees when investigating from Thoth to Mechir, butagain always subtract 2 ½ degrees from Phamenoth to Mesori. And having takentwelve times the resulting quantity of degrees of the Sun, project [them] fromthe degree of the Sun, and the zoidion on which it falls out will either markthe hour, or else its trigon will, as the procedure confines [the result] totwo zoidia signifying the Horoskopos; for, the other zoidion of the trigon willbe found under the earth.


*:Thoth. The first month of Alexandriancalendar (starting 29 August, Julian date).
Mechir. The sixth month of Alexandriancalendar (starting 26 January, Julian date).
Phamenoth. The seventh month ofAlexandrian calendar (starting 25 February, Julian date).
Mesori. The twelfth month of Alexandriancalendar (starting 25 July, Julian date).


There will be an illustration of this.
I was born on the 30th of Athyr during the day, with the Sunoccupying approximately 4 degrees of Sagittarius; I added 2 ½ to the 4 degrees,and after multiplying the 6 ½ degrees twelve times, I project from the degreeof the Sun, and it falls on the final part of Aquarius. Then either Aquarius orGemini or Libra were marking the hour. However, it impossible for Libra to markthe hour since it is under the earth; similarly also for Gemini since thetriangular side falls on the final part of it and is likewise under the earth;for, the Sun chances to be at the beginning of Sagittarius,and from it up to the beginning of Gemini is likewise the hemisphere above theearth by day. One must, then,have confidence that the Horoskopos falls only in Aquarius. But if ever twozoidia of the trigon should be above the earth, which we suspect to be the Horoskopos, we indeed make aconjecture as to which kind of zoidion is more like the form of the man, and we make our declaration in relation to thisone.


Those born when Aries is marking the hour are bony, hairy,moderate rather than good-sized, and the final portions of this zoidion cause danger, and the natives have their facebent downwards, and they are cowardly and dancers and foul-mouthed.

Those born when Taurus is marking the hour are snub-nosed andbull-eyed somewhat dark with a broad forehead and broad nose, with their hair turnedup, and at times they are bald and have small ears, hypocrites, those whopretend to be good, sometimes having thick lips and large nostrils and thickeyebrows, and the last part of this zoidion gives birth to those who arelewd.

Those born when Gemini is marking the hour are symmetrical inbody, long of nose, at times they are wooly-haired and have large ears and arefleshy in the shoulders.

Cancer makes the natives bony, round-faced at times dark dependingon the [geographical] zone,bald in the forehead, those who have many teeth, those who are at timesdisproportionate in their height (for the lower parts will be larger while theupper parts will be smaller), and the natives bellies protruding under theirchest, and the chest itself is broad and their eyes are suffused withcataracts, especially all the natives who have the Horoskopos near the Manger,which is cloud-like.

Leo makes those who are grey, with red hair, strong,
humped, broad in the upper parts, hairy,especially when they are born in the first degrees, and it makes the nativeswooly-haired and thick-nose, with leonineface, gluttonous with thin legs, but in the final degrees around the backbone,it makes them thin of hair, bald in the forehead, at times also lewd.

Virgo makes the natives symmetrical in height and rather large,well-molded, with a large gut and upright and well-behaved.

Libra makes those who have beautiful eyes, somewhat dark, at timesboth large and wooly-haired and just and modest.

Scorpio makes those who are small-eyed, sallow, with small ears,at times the chin is bald or the eyes grey, and it makes those who have a protrudingpharynx and broad shoulders, who are long of leg and swift, jealous, rapacious,and the last part of the zoidion around the sting makes the natives lewd, andat times those who have some cataracts in the eyes on account of the cloudaround the sting, and it makes them bald in the forehead.


Sagittariusmakes the natives long in the thigh, flexible in the legs, well-bearded,pot-bellied, with
hands of good complexion, those who swim well, those wholove to fide animals, those who are bald, and the final part of the zoidionmakes them lewd, and at times also those who grow grey first in the beard.

Capricornmakes the natives short. especially in the first degrees, and it makes thosewhose chest is slight, with fine legs, a pointed beard, at times with hairylegs, born, those who are bent over, lascivious.

Aquariusmakes the natives ample-bodied, full-bearded, light, at times also pot-bellied,and those who have one leg longer than the other.

Piscesmakes the natives quite broad in the shoulders, with beautiful hair, a whiteforehead, and it makes those who have a large chest, at times also those whoare bent over, with black eyes, those who speak slowly, who mind been ownbusiness.


Thezoidia themselves signify these things and such things as these by themselvesin the Horoskopos, but when the planets chance to be present in them, eachalters [these signification] in a certain manner related totheir own properties.
Kronosmakes the natives dark and badly formed and dry;
Ares,sallow, with grey eyes, straight hair, grim, with small cars;
Zeus,pale, with ample flesh, large eyes, full beard, those who are good in theirbehavior; Aphrodite makes the natives, along with these things, graceful andattractive;
Hermes,feeble, wan, symmetrical and curly-haired, good and noble;
the Sunand the Moon are turned in the direction of those planets they chance to fallin with, but in a special manner the Sun makes the natives well-grown,well-spoken of, while the Moon makes them temperate and well-fleshed.

Fromthe things that have been prefaced concerning the nature of the zoidia and the7 planets, it is possible to find the Horoskopos in a rough manner in the caseof men who have already come to maturity, if we make use of the nature of thezoidia and stars and the [different] climes with continual testing andpractice; and it is possible to make precise the degree marking the hour inaccordance with the method of the divine Ptolemy, which we have found to betrue in nearly all cases.






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3. Concerning the Dividing Up and Ordering of NatalTheory

Ptolemyspeaks in a reasonable manner [on this subject]. If someone should wish todivide the universal of natal theory as regards its very order, he would find,of the natural and possible apprehensions: the apprehension of the events whichare solely prior to birth, such as that of the account concerning parents; theapprehension of the events both before and after birth, such as that of theaccount concerning siblings; that of events at the birth itself, which may nolonger be apprehended singly nor simply; and finally, the apprehensions ofevents after birth, this also being contemplated in terms of more parts.

Of theinquiries made at the time of birth itself there is the account concerningmales and females, and that concerning twins or multiple births, and thatconcerning monsters, and that concerning those who go unnourished. Of theinquiries made after the birth there is the account concerning length of lifesince it is not connected to that concerning those who go unnourished; then theaccount concerning the shape of the body and that concerning ailments or bodilyinjuries; next the account concerning quality of soul and that concerningmental ailments; then the account concerning fortune which pertains toacquisition and that concerning fortune which pertains to dignity, after whichis the account concerning quality of action; then the account concerning thecompanionship which is marriage, and that concerning the begetting of children,and that concerning associations and partnerships and friendships; next theaccount concerning foreign journeys; and finally, the account concerning thequality of death, which in meaning is akin to the account concerning length oflife, but in order gets reasonably placed at the end of all these.37
First it isnecessary to examine that place of the zodiac which is familiar to the specificheading in question in the nativity, as for example, the Midheavcn for theinquiry concerning what one does, or the solar [place] for the inquiryconcerning the father. Then it is necessary to observe the planets having arelationship of rulership to the posited place according to the five ways wespoke of above. And if there should he one essential ruler, it is necessary togive him the rulership of that prognostication. But if there are two or three,to those having more counters.

After thesematters, for the quality of the effect it is necessary to examine the naturesof the ruling stars themselves,(*) as well as the places havingfamiliar ties to them.

*:Hephaistioomits “and the natures of the twelfth-parts in which they are.”

For themagnitude of the effect, it is necessary to examine their power, whether theyhappen to be actively disposed in relation to the cosmos itself and in relationto the nativity, or the opposite. For they are most effective whenever theyshould be in their own or familiar places with respect to the cosmos; andagain, whenever they chance to be oriental and additive in numbers. And they aremost effective with respect to the nativity whenever they should be passingthrough the pivots or the post-ascensional twelfth-parts, and especially theprimary pivots (I mean those ascending and those culminating). They are weakestwith respect to the cosmos whenever they should be in another's or unfamiliarplaces, and occidental or retreating in their course. And they are weakest withrespect to the nativity whenever they should be declining from the pivots.

For thegeneral time of the effect, it is necessary to examine whether they are east orwest relative to the Sun and the Horoskopos, (the quadrants preceding each ofthem and their diameters being east, while the remaining quadrants arc west).Also, whether they should happen to be upon the pivot points orpost-ascensions. For when they are cast or upon a pivot point they become moreeffective at the commencement, while when they are west and upon thepost-ascension, they are tardy.



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4. Concerning Parents

The guidingoutline, he says, of the examination of specifics, then, to which it is fittingto adhere throughout, has this character....

[I omit theremainder of this chapter, because Hephaistio quotes it nearly verbatim with nochanges in astrological content. He only alters Ptolemy’s text near the end,leaving out Ptolemy's digression about his combinatory procedure and issues ofrulership in the final paragraph. He also replaces Ptolemy's own conclusionabout timing with the following:

However, we will find the time of theissuance for the effect from the contact, either bodily or in accordance withrays, of the stars causing [it], and from the risings of the zoidia upon whichthe parental places chance to be. We of course find these [treatments] to besatisfactory, which Ptolemy has indeed proposed through his natural and amazinginvestigations.

He has madethis last paragraph read as if it were Ptolemy's, but it is not. I pick up withhis discussion of Dorotheus. ]

In verseDorotheus advises examining the trigon lords of the lights, and in what sort ofplaces the lights themselves chance to be, and in what bounds, and which of thestars are co-present or seeing (them), and with these one must make adisclosure for each of the parents—the Sun clearly signifying matters of thefather, the Moon those of the mother. If then the Sun should be present inbenefic places and with benefic stars, one must suppose that the circumstancesof the father are fortunate and wealthy, and that the patrimony will be keptsafe for the child himself; likewise also, when the Moon chances to be so, itmakes the same things. The opposite will result when the lights are found inthe opposite condition (that is, when they are afflicted). That is, it isaccustomed to make for ill success and injuries in the bodies of the parents.When the lights happen to be in the last degrees of the zoidia, especially whenmalefics look on, it signifies that the circumstances of the parents aredisreputable; and when the Moon chances to be in the places of eclipse,42 evenif it should be in good bounds, it signifies that the family is free, but poorand subordinate and doing servile work.

“And theMoon in the horned pivot under the earth.”

here examinethe mother as was done for the Sun.43

There isanother method. he says. Taking the hours of the birth, extend from the zoidionin which the Sun is, giving one hour to each zoidion in succession, and at thezoidion at which the number leaves off, examine the pivots of that zoidion andthe other relationships and make a statement about the mother.44 And again, hesays
“When theSun is setting, he brings to pass the separation of the parents.”

And Manethothus:
“When Aresis culminating for day births, it will do these things: It destroys the lifefor the first of the parents and it parts the marriage bed by death ordisagreement.”

Also, onemust consider the place concerning parents, that is, the subterraneous pivot,how the benefics and malefics arc related to it. When Kronos is upon thesetting pivot and looks at Zeus upon the Hour, he causes discord in thechildren toward the parents; but when it is triangular to Zeus, it causesharmony.


42 The lunarnodes.
43 Cf. Bk I,12 of the Arabic version of Dorotheus in Pingree's translation. On the onehand, the Arabic version seems to be much more detailed, particularly in thediscussion of the triplicity lords: on the other hand, it seems to leave outsome of the material, such as the lights bring the last degrees of a zoidion.
44 I cannotfind this curious method mentioned in the discussion of the mother in Bk 1 ofthe Arabic version as translated by Pingree.
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5. On the Predeceasing of the Parents

Examinewhich of the lights is afflicted in the nativity and conjecture from thatconcerning the one of the parents who is taken first by death. And see which oftheir Lots is more afflicted and conjecture likewise. Also consider this, whichof the lights in the nativity, through the turning of the motion of the whole,arrives first at the subterraneous pivot, and reckon thus the one taken firstby death; for the Sun signifies the predeceasing of the father, the Moon of themother.

“And theywill destroy the begetter sooner than she who gives birth.”

Dorotheus[says] these things. And he also says this, that when Ares chances to be withKronos, and especially when it is upon a pivot, they cause the father topredecease the mother.

Anubio saysas follows. When the Moon is waxing, if she chances to be in Pisces, it causesthe father to predecease. And when waning and likewise coming to conjunction,if she chances to be in a masculine zoidion, it causes the father topredecease; if in a feminine zoidion, the mother.
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6. Concerning Siblings

If someoneshould wish to examine what is universal and possible to the matter ofsiblings, he will accurately(*1 findthe number of children of the same mother from the culminating zoidion and thepost-ascension to it; for they encompass both the maternal place(*2and the pace of children. If then benefics should be configured with them, wewill declare an abundance of siblings in relation to the multitude of starsseeing and following and in relation to the nature of the zoidia, whether theyare of a single form or prolific. And if malefics should be transiting orconfigured with the place by a square or diametrical figure, they areindicative of a fewness of siblings, and especially if they take the Sun inaddition..."(*3

[I omit theremainder of Hepbaistio's quotation since it is virtually identical to thereceived text of Ptolemy]

Ptolemy saysthese things, but Dorotheus this,
"Of allof them atop shaggy Sagittarius and Leo"'
...One mustexamine if they(*3 arehelped by each other both from the Lot of Fortune and the Lot of Siblings, andfrom the stars seeing them or present upon them.(*4


1Hephaistio has made what seems to be a sneaky alteration ofthe Ptolemaic text here by saying that we can find the exact number ofchildren, using these methods. Ptolemy actually says, "As for the topic ofsiblings—if one examines here also only the universal and does not inquirybeyond what is possible into the exact number and what is particular—"
2I think we see here the beginnings of a crucial misreadingof the Ptolemaic text, which assigns the 10th place to the mother (an assignmentroutinely made in the medieval tradition. In my opinion, a careful translationof the corresponding Ptolemaic text would read. "that which concerns onlychildren of the same mother would more naturally be taken from the culminatingtwelfth-part of the maternal place, that is, from the place containingAphrodite by day and the Moon by night. This is because this zoidion and theone post-ascending it are made the place concerning the children of the mother,which ought to be the same as the place concerning siblings of theoffspring." In other words, the place of children of the native's motheris the 10th place from the place of Aphrodite or the Moon in a derivative housesystem: the place of the mother to not the 10th place natally, but rathersimply the place of the native's children.
3The remainder of this paragraph is only slightly differentfrom the Ptolemaic original, which reads, If, then, benefics are configuredwith the place, we will declare an abundance of siblings, making our conjecturein reference to the number of these very stars and whether they chance to be inzoidia of a single form or bicorporeal. But if malefic have a superior positionover them or are diametrically opposed, they are indicative of a fewness ofsiblings, especially if they should also include the Sun..."
3The siblings.
4Compare I 18 and I, 20 (possibly) of the Arabic version ofDorotheus.
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7. Concerning Males and Females
With theseaccounts being prefaced, next would be to make a beginning of the events at thebirth itself, and first concerning males and females. This topic is studiedfrom both the luminaries and the Horoskopos, and from the stars having arelationship to these,...

[This entirechapter is a slightly abridged version of the Ptolemy text (corresponding to BkIII, chapter 7 of my translation), with no astrological differences, and so Ihave omitted it. There are no references to Dorotheus or any otherastrologers.]


8. Concerning Twins
Andconcerning those who are born two or more at a time, it is likewise befittingto observe the two lights and the Horoskopos.

[Thischapter is a slightly abridged and paraphrased version of Bk III, chapter 8 ofthe Ptolemy text, and so I have omitted it in this translation. Hephaistioomits Ptolemy's final sentence.]


9. Concerning Monsters
The accountof monsters depends on the aforesaid inquiry. "For, in such cases thelights..."

[The text ofthis chapter is virtually identical with Bk III, chapter 9 of the Tetrabiblos.No other astrologers are cited. So I have not translated it here.]
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10. Concerning Those Who Go Unnourished

The manner[of inquiry] that concerns those who go unnourished does pertain to thatconcerning length of life, but the inquiry is not considered to be made for astretch [of time] such as a quantity of years (as it is in length of life), butrather the life of those who are wasting away is scarcely allowed for hours ordays or a few months, due to an excess of affliction; whence, each [topic] waskept separate by the ancients, the former (that concerning length of life) alsohaving a inquiry of more parts, but this one of fewer parts. Ptolemy, then,says, for it is simply this: if one of the lights should be pivotal and one ofthe malefics should be present or else in opposition [to it], and these to thedegree and by equality of leg. (*1 with nobenefic being configured and the ruler of the lights being taken in places ofmalefics, the offspring will go unnourished and will have the end of his lifebecause of them. If this happens without equality of leg, but the bolts(*2of the malefics closely post-ascend the places of the lights; and if thereshould be two malefics harming either one or both of the lights bypost-ascension or diametrically; or if each malefic in a class shouldrespectively harm one of the lights; or if the one malefic harms by beingdiametrical while the other by post-ascending: he also comes to be lacking inany time span, the multitude of afflictions obliterating that which isbeneficial to a duration of life from the interval of the post-ascension.

1 It is still not clear to me whether the expression"equality of leg" is a synonym for a partite aspect, or whether ithas some other meaning.
2Another word for ray.


The star ofAres, especially, harms the Sun by post-ascension, while the star of Kronos soharms the Moon; but conversely, the star of Kronos harms the Sun by beingdiametrical or by being in superior position, while the star of Ares harms theMoon in this way—and above all if they chance to have rulership of the lightsand the Horoskopos.(*1 And ifthere chances to be two diametrical oppositions, all the more(*2when the lights are upon the pivots and the malefics at equality of leg, atthat time too the infants are born either dead or half-dead. And with thesethings being so, if the lights chance to be separating from one of the beneficsor should be otherwise configured with them while [the benefics] even so bringtheir rays to bear on the parts preceding the lights themselves, the one bornwill survive, [though] instead of the [number] of degrees that we reckonbetween the releasing and the nearer of the rays of the malefics [being equatedto a year, to] an equal number of months or days or hours, in proportion to themagnitude of the affliction and the power of those [stars] providing the cause.But if the rays of the malefics bear on the places preceding the lights whilethose of the benefics bear on the succeeding places, the child that has beenexposed will be taken up again. And if the benefics in configuration shouldhave malefics in superior position to them, [he will live] in affliction andsubjection; whenever [the benefics] should have the superior position, [he willlive] by substitution under other parents.(*3And if one of the benefics should also make a rising [from] the Moon(*4while one of the malefics is subject to setting, he will be taken up by theparents themselves.

1Ptolemy has "and above all if as rulers they controlby place either the lights or the Horoskopos.
2Ptolemy does not have the words "all the more"here; thus Hephaistio makes the upcoming phrase an additional supportingcondition while Ptolemy regards it as part of the necessary condition.
3That is, by adoption.
4The Ptolemaic text has here "And if one of thebenefics should make its rising or its application to the Moon while one of themalefics is at setting." The Hephaistio text reads as if the benefics ormalefics are making a rising or setting relative to the Moon.




And the samemanner of inquiry [holds] in cases of multiple-births. If one of the stars thatare configured two by two or else by more at a time should be at setting, ahalf-dead child will be born along with the offspring, or an imperfect lump offlesh.(*) But if it should have malefics in superior position toit, the one co-born with the cause applying to him will go unnourished or willbe without a time-span.

*:The Hephaistio text of thisphrase is an improvement over the received Ptolemaic text.



Ptolemy setsout these matters in a perfect and wondrous manner, but let there be anillustration of what he has said. The Moon is marking the hour in Taurus at the25th degree, and none of the benefics either trines or squares or regards theMoon in any other way; Aphrodite, who has the rulership of Taurus, chances tobe in the domiciles or bounds of Kronos or Ares.(*) Thenative having this will of necessity go unnourished; and both Antiochus andApollinarius are in agreement with these [matters]. But let the diameter of themalefic not be according to the same degree. Here there is need of a multitudeof malefics (these two. Ares and Kronos) and of a multitude of those afflicted(these two, the Sun and Moon), and two powerful figures, the diameter and thatof post-ascension.

*:Hephaistio seems to have leftout here the condition that one of the malefics be present with the light, ordiametrical to it to the degree, or else "by equality of leg,"although he refers to it at the end of this paragraph.


He says,then: "If this happens without equality of leg, but the bolts of themalefics closely post-ascend the places of the lights; and if they should harmeither one or both of the lights." The manner of harming, he says, isaccording to post-ascension or by diametrical opposition—for example, if Aresand Kronos should be diametrical to the Sun and Moon or both should bediametrical to both, this being one figure; or again, if Ares and Kronos shouldpost-ascend them at the same time; and again, another figure, he says, wheneverAres should be diametrical to the Sun while Kronos post-ascends the Moon; oragain, when Ares post-ascends the Sun while Kronos is diametrical to the Moon.For, all of these figures are without time-span, the multitude of afflictions obliteratingthat which is beneficial to the duration of life by means of the interval ofpost-ascension.

Also, bothApollinarius and the Egyptians think it worth considering both the zoidionpre-ascending the Horoskopos, which they call the Evil Spirit, as well as thezoidion post-ascending it, which they call Life; for when [a malefic] occupiesthe Evil Spirit at the Hour, it results that every danger happens to the[mother] giving birth and to the child born, with the infant already fallinginto the mouth of the womb and the fastenings of the pregnant mother looseningso that there is danger of simultaneous death for both, to the child throughbeing drowned, and to the mother through the slackening of the passages of thewoman's nature beyond what is required. And again, after the birth, if maleficsshould be found in Life and they succeed(*) theMoon or the Sun, they cause the life to disappear and the native to beshort-lived.

*:diadechomai. There is somepossibility that this verb refers to the reception of the Sun or Moon bymalefics in the second place.


And again,Ptolemy says, "The star of Ares, especially, harms the Sun bypost-ascension, while the star of Kronos so harms the Moon; but conversely, thestar of Kronos harms the Sun by being diametrical or by being in superiorposition (that is, according to a right square), while the star of Ares harmsthe Moon in this way.

And othersof the ancients have said that these figures are considered in a naturalmanner; for, the star of Ares, having an untempered fire in the degreespost-ascending, intensifies the sun which is hot, for destruction; but the starof Kronos, being cold, chills the Moon, which moistens. And they say that theintensification of affliction occurs especially when the malefics chance topossess the places of the stars having rulership over the lights; for example,if the lights should be in Pisces, and Ares or Kronos have superior position inSagittarius, which is the domicile of Zeus and the star ruling over the placeof the lights (that is, Pisces). And [they] are capable of post-ascending ifthe lights should be in Capricorn, while the malefics should be in Aquarius;but they can no longer diametrically oppose the lights, but rather they can[afflict] from the bounds, since in each zoidion there are bounds of the fivestars.

And if thetwo malefics should be diametrical to the lights by equality of degree, whilethe lights are pivotal, it is clear, he says, that the child is born half-dead,"but if the lights chance to be separating from one of the benefits orshould be otherwise configured with them while [the benefics] even so bringtheir rays to bear on the parts preceding the lights themselves, the one bornwill survive instead of the [number] of degrees that we reckon between thereleasing and the nearer of the rays of the malefics, an equal number of monthsor days or hours, in proportion to the magnitude of the affliction and thepower of those [stars] providing the cause." For if the Sun and the Moon,in making a separation from one of the benefics, should apply to the maleficsin the degrees ascending after them, the natives will exist for the interval ofthe Sun and Moon to the malefics, in accordance with the ascension of theafflicted zoidion, only instead of the times distributed to them in accordancewith the ascensions, they will live either months or days, with the differencearising from the mangnitude of the affliction.

The eruditePorphyry lays down an illustration of this. Let Zeus be in Cancer, he says, andlet the Moon have separated from it (let it have been carried to the 8th degreeof Leo); let Ares be ascending after the Moon at the 8th degree of Virgo. Thenative will live for just a span of time as there are degrees between the 8thdegree of Leo up to the 8th degree of Virgo, but not with the intermediatedegrees reckoned in terms of years, but rather in terms of months or days orhours. And should Zeus not be in Cancer, but configured with the Moon in Leo byregarding the Moon with a triangular ray from Aries, let it hurl its ray notonto the degrees after the 8 degrees of Leo but rather onto the degrees beforethe 8 degrees,(*1for ifthe ray [is hurled between](*2 byZeus, the degrees will be unaffected. Thus, with the malefics possessing thelights or ascending after them, the one born will live, but in this manner hewill be short-lived, as the ascending degrees do not furnish a number of years,but rather a number of months or days or hours.

1Another case where the hurling of rays is not restricted toaspects cast backward in zodiacal order.
2mesemboleo. According to Antiochus, "there isintervention (mesembolesis ) whenever a star should hurl as rays onto theintermediate degrees of the application." If we understand the Moon to beapplying to the malefic Ares, this definition applies, except that the ray ishere hurled forward in zodiacal order.


Next Ptolemysays, "But if the rays of the malefics bear on the places preceding thelights while those of the benefics bear on the succeeding places, the childthat has been exposed will be taken up again and will live. And if then itshould be configured, etc." We must do an exegesis of this, since bothAntiochus and Apollinarios say nearly the same things. For example, let the Sunand Moon be in Leo. and let Kronos hurl rays from Aries onto Cancer by squares,and let Ares hurl rays onto the first degrees of Leo diametrically fromAquarius, with the Sun and Moon ten degrees distant from the first degree ofLeo, and let Zeus hurl a ray triangularly from Sagittarius onto the firstfifteen degrees of Leo. The child born in this manner, unless he should beotherwise harmed from the conjunction of the lights, will be taken up again andhe will live; however, with Zeus in superior position to Kronos in a triangularfigure,(*1 he will be taken up for adoption.And if the benefics should have the malefics in superior position, the nativeswill be taken up and they will live, though they will be slaves. Nevertheless,if benefics or one of these should be oriental or should make an application tothe Moon,(*2 while the malefics or one of theseshould be toward setting, the native will be taken up again by his own parents.

1Here we see that the definition of superior position is notrestricted to right hand squares.
2This passage is corrupt in the complete quotation made byHephaistio at the beginning of this chapter. The present text is identical tothat of Ptolemy.


And ithappens in the same fashion, he says, for the figures of twins or ofmultiple-births. This figure is studied from the lights and from theHoroskopos, and from the stars and places having a relation to them. For whenthese three places are double bodied, and especially when the stars havingmastership over the places are likewise in double-bodied places, with theaccidents being studied in relation to the lights and the Horoskopos, itresults that twins are born. In such a manner he discusses twins. If then, hesays, "one of the stars that are configured two by two or else by more ata time should be subject to setting, a half-dead child will be born along with theoffspring, or an imperfect lump of flesh, which they call a superfetation;68and if it should not be subject to setting, but if it should have malefics insuperior position to it, the one co-born with the cause applying to him will gowill go unnourished," he says, "or be without lifespan." One ofthe twins happens to live, the other dies right away or after a short time.

Dorotheusalso talks about these things in his verses concerning length of life.(*1For those born at night, he says, count from Ares to Kronos and extend suchfrom the Horosicopos,(*2 and ifKronos has authority over the zoidion at which it leaves off, while it ispivotal, one who goes unnourished is begotten. Again, for those born by day,from Kronos to Ares and an equal amount from the Horoskopos, and if Ares isfound to be lord of the place at which it leaves off, while being pivotal, itwill likewise make one who goes unnourished. And if Ares and Kronos should beunder the earth in bestial zoidia and look upon the Moon, they will cause thesame thing.

1I cannot locate this material in Bk III of the Arabicversion of, Dorotheus. One might also expect to find it somewhere in chapters4-9 of Bk I of the Arabic version of Dorotheus, but I cannot locate it there oranywhere else.
2In Valens and others this is also called the Lot ofAccusation.


Kritodemosin his Table says the same. When the luminaries are in the last degrees of thezoidia, they make [the natives] be without time-span. When the Moon in theplace of eclipse(*1 is
looked uponby the Sun and Ares, it makes them be without time-span; and especially whenshe is looked upon by Ares according to a square or diameter, while waning inthe south, it makes them be without time-span. When the Moon is waxing withAres marking the hour, and waning with Kronos marking the hour, it makes thembe without time-span. And if the malefics occupy the pivots in the places ofothers, while the luminaries are in the idle place(*2,it makes the native be non-viable and devoured by wild dogs. If the maleficsshould he rising while the benefics are going into hiding, they make thechildren he without time-span. In the eclipses of the Sun and Moon, if the lordof the Horoskopos should be going into hiding and should not be figured, itmakes them be without time-span. If the last part of a zoidion should bemarking the hour, while malefics possess the first degrees, (the natives) arebrought forth with no time-span, as on the whole those born during eclipses arewithout time or blind. And if the Moon should apply to a malefic star while itis stationing, it makes the children be short-lived.

1The lunar nodes.
2The 8th house.


And one mustknow that, for him who is investigating the topic of length of life, it isrequisite to make use of the ascensions of the zoidia in the manner of Ptolemy,whose method we also employ as the most true and most natural. For, it isnecessary to examine the appropriate ascensions in accordance with methods from[this author]; however, one must not suppose that since the ascensions arefound otherwise and in a different manner under the same parallel, this wouldhe so at another time.(*1 Hlowmany times of the equipartite circle(*2co-rise with each zoidion (which are indeed taken for years), we will know fromthe canons of ascensions of each zone, in relation to which a method is set outin the following. If we should want to roughly find the co-ascensions of eachzoidron by hand, or the co-culminations, we do as follows: Let it be the casethat Aries rises with 21 degrees, 40 minutes according to the ancients, whichbecome 21 years and 8 months. Then I multiply the 21 years and 8 months by 12[months] and they become 260, which I divide among the 30 degrees of thezoidion; and each degree is allotted 8 months, 20 days, and two degrees arcclearly 17 months 10 days, and three are likewise three times the magnitude.And le; the same method be for each zoidion and zone.

1I am not confident of my translation of this sentence.
2The equator.
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11. Concerning the Length of Life According to theTruth and Ptolemy

Thediscussion concerning the years of life, Ptolemy says, goes before the eventssubsequent to birth,
since it isfirst requisite to know the years to he lived (concerning which this inquiry ismade), and then to adapt the particulars of the effects accordingly. Thisheading is entirely dependent upon the places that pertain to releasing andupon those that are capable of having releasers in relation to life, and againupon those capable of destroying. And each of these is decided upon as follows.

He markedout as places for releasing those in one of which it is requisite for the starassuming the releasing to he: the twelfth-part around the Horoskopos, from fivedegrees toward the rear part pre-ascending the hour-marking degree up to theremaining twenty-five degrees post-ascending this degree, and right hexagonalsto these 30 degrees, of(*1 theGood Spirit; and [right] squares, of the Midheaven above the earth; and fright]triangulars, of the so-called God; and diametricals, of the Descendant. Hecalled the hexagonals and squares and triangulars "sides" and not"zoidia" because the Midheaven does not always fall on the 10th zoidionfrom the Horoskopos, nor the Good Spirit on the 11th; nor the onecalled God on the 9th.(*2 Andthrough these he hinted(*3 thatit was not always necessary to give 30 degrees to the three places around theMidheaven, but rather sometimes it is requisite to make more than the 30degrees, and again sometimes less, applying to each differently in proportionto the degrees between the two pivots. If then the degrees of the quadrantshould be more than 90, he would augment the degrees by just as much as theyshould be greater, while if they are less than 90 degrees, he would lessen themproportionately.


1It is hard to know how to interpret the genitive here andin the upcoming parallel passages. It is preceded by no relative pronoun(although most of the Ptolemaic manuscripts have such a pronoun preceding thegenitive). One possibility is that there is an implicit "the placeof" here and in the parallel passages, in which case Ptolemy would betransferring the traditional place names for the whole-sign houses to his ownequal house system. Another possibility is that we are being instructed to takethe hexagonal "sides" that are part of the 11th zoidion from theHoroskopos (the Good Spirit), for instance, or belonging to it. But this would makethe places of releasing the intersections of the first, ninth, tenth, andeleventh signs with the first, ninth, tenth, and eleventh "houses" ofthe Ptolemaic division. This is certainly a baffling text!

2This sentence might also be translated as follows: "Hecalled the hexagonals and squares and triangulars 'sides' and not zoidiabecause they do not always fall on the 10th zoidion from the Horoskopos, or theMidheaven; nor on the 11th, or the Good Spirit; nor on the 9th, which is calledGod." Under this alternative translation, the traditional names for thehouses would be retained by the signs of the whole sign system of housedivision and not transferred to the new houses created by the Ptolemaicdivision. Compare Valen's treatment of the Porphyry system of dynamical housedivision (Bk III, 2). However I have not favoured this translation becauseHephaistio clearly transfers these names to the new house divisions in the nextparagraph.

3Here we see that the modified "Alchabitius" stylehouse system that will soon he discussed may have been an interpretation (andin my opinion a misinterpretation) of this passage, based on the suppositionthat Ptolemy was partly concealing his true intentions.


Let there bean illustration of what has been said. Let someone be supposed to have theHoroskopos in the very 25th degree of Aquarius; it is clear that the Horoskoposis taken from the fifth degree of those pre-ascending [degrees], that is, fromthe 20th degree of Aquarius up to the 20th degree of Pisces; and from the 20thdegree of Aquarius backward to the 20th degree of Capricorn will he the 12thand Evil Spirit (if we should find some releaser in these degrees, we do notaccept it); and likewise from the 20th degree of Capricorn to the 20th degreeof Sagittarius will be the 11th; and from the 20th degree of Sagittarius to the20th degree of Scorpio will be the 10th, Midheaven; and from the 20thdegree of Scorpio to the 20th degree of Libra will be the 9th;and from the 20th degree of Libra to the 20th degree ofVirgo will be the 8th, unconnected to the Horoskopos (and we dismissit for releasing); and from the 20th degree of Virgo to the 25thdegree of Leo will be Descendant, and the other 5 pre-descending degrees up tothe 20th degree of Leo.


Most peopledivide the releasing places thus, but Pancharios, the commentator on thistopic, did not always approve, as we have said, of giving 30 degrees to thethree places around the Midheaven, but rather he did as follows: For since theHoroskopos is at the 25th degree of Aquarius and the Midheaven isapproximately at the 5th degree of Sagittarius. I count from the 5th degree ofSagittarius up to the 25th degree of Aquarius, and the 80 degrees found arelacking from 90 degrees by 10 degrees, which are a ninth part of those 90degrees. I arrange 13 1/3 degrees (which are themselves lacking from 15 degreesby a ninth part) from the Midheaven degree on the side of the Ascendant,instead of 15 degrees (half of the zoidion), and it comes down to 181/3 degreesof Sagittarius. And similarly, I arrange the thirty degree [part] of the GoodSpirit [to be lacking] by 3 1/3 degrees,' which is from the 18th and 1/3 degreeof Sagittarius up to the 15th degree of Capricorn. Again, we likewise countfrom the setting horizon up to the culminating degree; I find 100 degrees,which are again more than 90 degrees by a ninth part of them. Therefore, fromthe 5th degree of Sagittarius backwards to the 20th degree of Scorpio are 15degrees (half of the zoidion); they come to 16 degrees, 40 minutes; for I againmade the ninth part of these 15 degrees, for 16 degrees, 40 minutes, and theycome down to the 18th and 1/3 degree of Scorpio. The ninth part likewiseexceeds by 3 1/3 degrees, and it comes down from the 18th and 1/3 degree ofScorpio to the 15th degree of Libra.

It isrequisite, then, to make the 5 places of releasing with precision in thismanner in order that the releaser should never escape our notice, as he says,by falling out in an idle place, and in order that we do not set a planet thatis upon the Midheaven in an idle place, or ascertain it to be in another placewhen it is not truly so.


And letthese things have been said for the sake of clarity; for, one must not shrinkfrom extending this subject just because it is a multi-partite and notoriousstudy. We have the 5 places of releasing marked off in this manner, and of theones preferred even among these [places] for the power of predomination arefirst the [degrees] according with the Midheaven above the earth, then thoseaccording with the Ascendant, then those according with the post-ascension ofthe Midheaven, then those according with the Descendant, finally thoseaccording with the precedent of the Midheaven. For one must properly refuse thewhole hemisphere under the earth so great an authority, except only thosedegrees coming into the light along with the post-ascension itself, and thedegrees pre-descending,(*) while of the whole hemisphereabove the earth, it is not fitting to accept the part unconnected to theHoroskopos (which is the 8th), nor the twelfth, since the stars in them, inaddition to declining, also have the thick and misty exhalation from themoisture of the earth as an impediment, in relation to the efflux from them tothe earth, by which the stars do not appear to have their natural colours ormagnitudes.

*:The Ptolemaic text does notmention these pre-descending degrees.


After theplaces of releasing, he distinguished the releaser by day if it is indeed inone of the places of releasing: the Sun; but if it is not, the Moon; and if theMoon should not be found in one of these places, the star capable of having thefive relationships of rulership to the Sun and to the prenatal conjunction andto the Horoskopos, not so that [the star] should necessarily have therelationship of rulership to the three (for this is impossible unless theconjunction should be upon the Horoskopos), but rather even if to one of these(such as the Sun or the prenatal conjunction or the Horoskopos), and even if totwo of these (for example to the Sun and the conjunction), and even if to thethree. And that it is not necessarily to the three Ptolemy himself makes clearin the following when he says "whenever, there being five places ofrulership, it should have three to one or even more" (not places ofreleasing but rather the releasers themselves, by which I mean the Sun and theprenatal conjunction and the Hour)—whenever, then, some star should be found tohave more relations of rulership in the five ways (of domicile, trigon, bound, exaltation,phase or configuration), as he was saying, to the Sun or the conjunction or theHour, and this star was in one of the places of releasing when the Sun was notso,
then we will use it for thereleaser; but if no star should likewise be found in a place of releasing, wewill finally do the releasing from the degree marking the hour.

And while wedo these things in the case of children born in the day, in the case of thoseborn at night it is necessary to take the Moon as the first releaser if she isbe in one of the places of releasing; but if not, the Sun (it is clear that hemay not be found in a place of releasing at night except only in those 25degrees of the post-ascension under the earth close to the horizon, and the 5degrees that have pre-descended); but if he should not chance to be in a placeof releasing in this manner, one must take the star having the relation ofrulership to the Moon and the prenatal full moon and the Lot of Fortune, whichis by night a distance equal to that of the interval from the Sun to the Moon,from the place of the Horoskopos; for in a certain fashion he wishes it toserve the purpose of the Horoskopos, as Ptolemy himself says, that as the Sunis related to the oriental horizon, so the Moon is to the Lot of Fortune. Also,that the ancients around Nechepso and Petosiris gave hints for positioning itthe same way, because they project the interval from the Moon to the Sun in thereverse manner in the case of those born at night (that is, projecting it fromthe Hour in the direction of the preceding zoidia).(*)

*:Pingree has had to do a fairamount of text restoration on this passage so that this reading must remainconjectural. However, the point seems to be that in nocturnal nativities, ifthe interval from the Moon to the Sun is projected backwards from the Ascendantdegree, this will give the same position as projecting the interval from theSun to the Moo forward from the Ascendant; thus, the position of the Lot ofFortune would be the same both day and night. The question is whether this wasreally their intention of Ncchepso/Petosiris, since other Hellenisticastrologers read their account and concluded that the calculation of the Lotshould be truly reversed by day and by night.


HerePancharios says, why is this worthy of attention only for the star having arelation to the prenatal full moon and not for the one having a relation to theprenatal syzygy simply? For perhaps, whenever a conjunction has preceded birth,it would be unconvincing, in the case of those born at night, to evaluate theruler of the full moon as though it were alienated [born its own nature]. Yetin the case of those born diurnally, if the prenatal full moon syzygy should beclosest, it does not seem absurd to have recourse to the conjunction as theinitiating syzygy. But perhaps, he says. Ptolemy has recourse to the full moonby night because the conjunction of the Moon is unilluminated, and yet hemanifestly seeks the closest syzygy in the following [topics]. Perhaps, then,he is intimating that if the prenatal syzygy chances to be a full moon, it ismore reasonable for the master of it to be taken, but in general he desires thenearest syzygy to be taken, from the next words he gives; for he says that ifthe ruler should not be found in the places of releasing, it is necessary tomake use of the Lot of Fortune as releaser if the prenatal syzygy should be afull moon, if the Lot should be in the places of releasing; but if it isconjunctive, it is necessary to use the Horoskopos.


And if ithappens, he(*Pancharios) says, that the Sun and Moon are upon places ofreleasing, and also the ruler of the appropriate sect (that is, by day theruler of the Sun or the [prenatal] conjunction or the Horoskopos, by night theruler of the Moon or the full moon or the Lot of Fortune), we must then examinewhich of them possesses the more powerful place and has more relations ofrulership, and we must additionally avail ourselves of that one in the accountsof releasing.


Others gavethe following explanation: If it should happen that the lights and the rulerwith regard to sect are in the places of releasing, [we must take] the one inthe more authoritative place anyhow, according to the order that wasdistinguished; but then we must give preference to the ruler only when alongwith being present in the more authoritative place, it also has a relation ofrulership to those sects.

*:This is the same as Ptolemy’saccount. I am not sure why it is attributed to “others.”

With(*1the releaser distinguished, we must furthermore assume two modes of releasing:that in the direction of the succeeding zoidia alone, subject to the so-calledhurling of rays, whenever the releaser should be in the region of the castwind, (that is, in places from the Midheaven to the Horoskopos); and that notonly in the direction of the succeeding zoidia, but also that in the directionof the preceding zoidia in accordance with the so-called horimaia whenever thereleaser should be in places declining from the midheaven.(*2

1Hephaistio resumes his direct quoting from Ptolemy here.
2It is not clear whether in this second mode of releasing weare supposed to use both procedures all the time, or the one of them that isappropriate depending on the position of the releaser. As we will see laterPancharios read the passage in this latter manner in order to take account ofreleasers in the five degrees just under the Descendant.

With thesethings being so, destructive degrees for the releasing in the direction of thepreceding portions of the zodiac become only that of the setting horizon, sinceit makes the lord of life disappear. The degrees of stars thus meeting orbearing witness only take away or add years to the total years up until thesetting of the releaser, and they do not destroy, on account of their not beingcarried to the place of releasing, but rather that place is being carried tothem. Also, the benefic stars add, while the malefic stars take away, with thestar of Hermes again being attached to whichever of them he is configured with.The number of the addition or the subtraction is contemplated through thedegree-position in each case. For, as many as are the hourly times of eachdegree—diurnal times when it is day, nocturnal times when it is night—just somany will be the complete multitude of years. And we must reckon this verymultitude when [they] are upon the orient; then we must subtract in proportionto their separation [from the orient] until at their setting the [number] comesdown to nothing.

Ptolemycalls the place from the zoidion of the Midheaven up to the zoidion of theHoroskopos "subject to the hurling of rays" and"succedent," while that from the decline of the Midheaven (that isfrom the 9th) up to the Descendant he names "precedent" and"hourly."(*1 Iftherefore some releaser should be found in this place, not only, he says, doeshe take the releasing in the direction of the succeeding zoidia, but also inthe direction of the preceding aoidia; but conversely, in the former he doesnot take the releasing in the direction of the preceding zoidia. But if thereleaser should be in the degrees that have declined from the Midheaven, hewill also reckon it as up to the descending degree, which he calls destructive:for he says that it threatens and that the releaser, which is the lord of life,is made to disappear, so that when rays or stars are themselves additionallypresent between the degree of releasing and the descending degree, they arethus not capable of destroying that releaser when they are destroyers, or ofpreserving it as benefics, but rather the latter add, the former subtract fromthe whole array between the releaser and the descending degree, and they arecapable of subtracting or giving just as many years as there arc hourly timesascribed to the degree of each [star] (that upon which it is) in theappropriate zone—by day the times laid down for the degree of each one, bynight those laid down for the diametrical degree. However, [he says] that thesetimes are powerful as wholes when the [stars] should he upon the Horoskopos,but when they are distant from it, they subtract [such twelfths] from the hoursin accordance with the quantity of seasonal hours of the interval between; forwe do so until at the twelfth hour [the years] come down to nothing, whence hecalls such a method of releasing "horimaic."(*2

1Pingree has reconstructed the word tetartemorion here (which means 'quadrant') on the basis of a fewnearly legible letters. However, it would be just as possible to restore thesemissing letters as te horimaion,literally,'and horimaic' (or pertaining to the hour), which makes more sense.
2This adjective is properly descriptive since the methoditself uses the hourly times horiaioi chronoi of the degrees. We have also seenthis method occasionally cited in Valens.


For example,let someone have the Horoskopos at the 10th degree of Aries, the Descendant atthe 10th degree of Libra in the zone through the Hellespont, and let the releaserbe found at the 8th degree of Sagittarius. The whole distance of lifeexpectancy of nearly 75 years is totalled from the 8th degree of Sagittarius upto the 10th degree of Libra. For by introducing into the canon of ascensions ofthe zone through the Hellespont the 8th degree of Sagittarius, I find lyingnext to it 266 times, 37 minutes; and next to the 10th degree of Libra I find191 times, 40 minutes. And by subtracting the lesser times of Libra from thetimes of Sagittarius, I find 74 ascensional times [57 minutes], which I assumeto be nearly 75 years.(*)

*:Here we will append thefollowing scholium of Leon the Philosopher to the horimaia; it seems to bereferring to the very same example above.
"With this example and with this fault, Porphyry too wasguilty of unintelligence, indeed far from the thought of the great Ptolemy. Forthe releaser in Sagittarius does not arrive at the Descendant through 75diurnal times, but through 40. For the canon of the 5 zones does not containthe descensions of Sagittarius and Libra, but clearly the ascensions. Then if10 Aries is at the Ascendant in the first position and 5, 40 ascensional timesare laid alongside it, when 8 Sagittarius is setting in the second position, 8Gemini has to be at the ascendant, having 45, 45 times. The excess is not 75times, but 40, 5 minutes."
I think that Leon is correct in his criticism. Everythingthat Ptolemy says about direction later in this chapter would indicate thatoblique descensions should be used here instead of ascensions.

With thisbeing found, let Ares be at the 10th degree of Aries at the same degree as theHoroskopos. I go to the same zone and find 15 hourly times and 7 parts of anhour(*1 lying next to(*2the 10th degree of Aries; they become 15 years, 7 months. Since then Ares ismarking the hour,(*3 itsubtracts 15 years and 7 months from the 75 years, and the remaining 59 years 5months are left over if no other malefic should subtract years or no beneficadd them. And if Ares should be at the 10th degree of Libra, it neither addsnor subtracts anything. And if it should be upon the degree of the Midheaven,(*4clearly it subtracts half of the 15 years and 7 months (that is, 7 years, 9months, and 15 days). And for the remaining distances from the point of rising,it is necessary to subtract proportionately until, as the star or its raybecomes more distant, [the years] should come down to nothing. And the beneficsadd years in a similar fashion.

1The Greek text simply has 15 hours, 7 finer [times]. The 7can hardly be minutes, however, in view of the upcoming equation of thesehourly times to 15 years, 7 months. Thus I assume here that the finer divisionsof the hour are twelfths, instead of sixtieths.
2That is, in the table.
3And capable of hurling a trine ray between the releaser andthe Descendant.
4And capable of hurling a sextile ray between the releaserand the Descendant.

We know theproportion in relation to the hours, and how the hours [are found] that [thestars] are distant from the oriental horizon as follows: Taking the degreesbetween the star or ray and the Horoskopos, we compare by day the hourly timeslaid down for the degree of the natal Sun, by night those laid down for thediametrical [degree]; and as many hours and parts of hours as should turn out,we know the star or ray to be so many hours distant from the oriental horizon.When the releaser is upon the so-called God, it is as we said; if it is uponthe Horoskopos, we do the releasing in the direction of the preceding [zoidia];and if, with the releaser chancing to be upon Descendant, see, Pancharios says,that if we do not do it in this manner (that is, in the direction of thepreceding [Media] from the degree nearest the descending degree, which he callsdestructive), the lord of life will be lacking in time. This, he says, eitherescaped Ptolemy's notice, or else, if it did not escape his notice, he omittedit, whence he judges that if the releaser should be found upon the occidentalhorizon, we do the releasing of it in the direction of the succeeding [zoidia].For in this manner,[ the part] that has ascended before [the occidentalhorizon] will be in accord with the releasing, not only in the direction of thesucceeding [zoidia], but also in the direction of the preceding ones. For inthe case of the 5 degrees before the descending degree, nothing will be indispute; it is only necessary, he says, for it to be the case that we carry thereleaser to the setting degree itself in the direction of the succeeding[zoidia], but it will equally be the case that if this same descending degreeis destructive, the nativity will be short-lived. For we have often found byexperience, he says, that the releaser can be upon these degrees and upon thosenext to the descending degree and the nativities have not become short-lived.Concerning, then, the zoidion in relation to God and the occidental horizon,and concerning the releasings from them, let such things have been said.

Ptolemy,having changed over to the other place of releasing, that from the Midheaven upto the Horoskopos also says the following things himself: For the releasing inthe direction of the succeeding portions of the zodiac, the places of themalefics, Kronos and Ares, destroy, either when they go forth to meet bodily orwhen they bring a ray to bear from anywhere any time they are square ordiametrical; and sometimes also when hexagonal upon on the zoidia of hearingand seeing due to their equal power; and the square to the place of releasingfrom the succeeding [zoidia] itself [destroys], and sometimes too the hexagonupon the twelfth-parts of long ascension when afflicted, but the triangle onthe twelfth-parts of short ascension.


In the caseof a releaser that lets the releasing begin in the other place from theculminating zoidion up to the zoidon marking the hour, one must observe, hesays, the .bodily encounters of the
maleficsKronos and Ares in the same zoidion or even in the next, or the square ordiametrical rays that are brought to bear from anywhere, though likewise in thedegrees after the releaser, for he supposes the releaser to be immoveable,while the destroyer comes to the releaser and in this manner destroys it.

The squareand diametrical figures, then, we accept as destructive, the triangular assympathetic, and the hexagonal likewise, though weaker. Sometimes, he says,destruction also occurs from these, though not simply nor in an ordinary way,but rather as a hexagon when upon the zoidia hearing and seeing in accordancewith equal power. And they say that zoidia equidistant from the equipartitezoidia hear one another. And it does not seem to Thrasyllus that the twoequipartite zoidia themselves hear, Aries Libra or Libra Aries, nor that theysee one another, because the equipartite zoidia inspect the circle of the earth(which [is also the case] for the two remaining tropical zoidia). And they saythat the zoidia equidistant from the tropical zoidia, and the tropical zoidiathemselves, see [one another]. And hexagons are equal in power in two zoidiawhenever the distance should be sixty degrees. For example, let the releaser bein the 1st degree of Pisces, the destroyer in the 30th degree of Aries; thishexagon becomes destructive because they [the degrees] are equidistant from theequipartite [circle](*) (that is, in zoidia that hear oneanother), and they have a sixty degree distance. Similarly for the zoidiaseeing one another, if the releaser should be in the 1st degree of Gemini,while the destroyer is in the 30th degree of Cancer. And hexagonal figures occurringin this manner destroy.

*:This is a name for equatorial circle.

And again hesays: sometimes when the hexagon is corrupted upon the zoidia that take a longtime [to rise] (when it has clearly stretched out nearly to the side of asquare), it also destroys; and again, when the triangle is corrupted upon thezoidia that take a short time [to rise] (that is, when it is likewise drawntogether by the zoidia of short ascension almost to side of a square), it alsodestroys. This is what was also said by Ptolemy concerning the said degrees.

Panchariosspeaks from the beginning about the exact Midheaven, in the course of which hedemonstrates it,(*1 andthere he intimates that it is not always necessary to give to the three placesaround the Midheaven a thirty degree interval; and places are destructive bymeans of what has been said, he said, and the square itself to the place ofreleasing; for, it is impossible to overstep the side of a square apart from amalefic.(*2

1I am not sure of the construction.
2No matter where the malefics are (*situated) relative tothe releaser, there will be square or diametrical rays from the maleficsomewhere in the quadrant following the releaser.

Next Ptolemywrites: When the Moon is releasing, the place of the Sun also destroys. For,the encounters in such a releasing also have the power to destroy and preserve,since these are themselves brought to the place of releasing. However, one mustnot at all times suppose that these places always destroy, but only wheneverthey are afflicted. For they are prevented [from destroying] if they fallwithin the bound of a benefic, and if one of the benefics should bring its rayto bear in square, triangularly or diametrically either toward the destructivedegree itself, or in the direction of the degrees succeeding it (for Zeus notbeyond 12 degrees, for Aphrodite not beyond 8 degrees), and if both the starreleasing and the one encountering it are bodies, [it is prevented fromdestroying] when the latitude of the two is not the same.

Whenever,then, there should be several from each class—some succouring and contrariwisesome destroying—one must inquire as to which of the two forms predominates,both in accordance with the multitude of those contributing to each side, andin accordance with their power; in accordance with their multitude, wheneverthe ones are sensibly more than the others, but in accordance with power,whenever some of the succouring or destroying stars should be in their familiarplaces, others not, especially when some are oriental, and some occidental.For, in general, one must not take any of those which are under the beams to beeither for destruction or for succour, except that when the Moon is thereleaser, the place of the Sun itself destroys if it is turned in thatdirection by the presence of a malefic and is not freed by any of the benefics.


With theMoon releasing, he says, the solar place can also destroy, especially if shouldbe turned by the presence of a malefic and is not freed by any benefic, andagain it can preserve when it has the opposite [conditions]. And over and abovethese things, he brings up that the same cause is observed for the power of amalefic if they should fall in the bounds of a benefic or if one of thebenefics should jointly bring its rays to bear in square or triangularly ordiametrically, either with the same degree as the destructive degree itself, orelse in the direction of the [zoidia] succeeding it (in the case of Zeus, notbeyond 12 degrees, and in the case of Aphrodite, not beyond 8 degrees);however, if the destruction comes about bodily, it is necessary to examine ifthe destroyer and the releaser should be running at the same latitude (inaccordance with the same wind); for if they should be so, destruction willoccur. And [he also adds] that the stars under the beams are weak for thepurpose of either destroying or preserving. And he says in addition that itwill be necessary to compare which kind have authority, whether those thatsuccour and those that harm, from the multitude and power of each [class] ofthem in relation to the intensification or relaxation of [each of them].

Having giventhese precepts, he passes on to the account of the intervals, that is, how itis necessary to reckon the life expectancies, by explaining and censuring atthe same time that it was not reasonable for those before him to make use ofascensional times only, but rather he says that it is necessary to make use ofthem only when the releasing comes about from the Horoskopos or from one of thestars present upon it; but in the case when the releaser is upon the Midheaven,it is necessary to make use of the co-culminations upon the right sphere; andin the case of the occidental horizon, it is necessary to make use of the descensions(that is, the ascensions of the diameters); and in the case when the releaseris in the places between these, proportionately to its position relative to thetwo pivots enclosing it. He wishes to say this concisely, since, when heintroduces it, he explains the reason for the inequality of such a passage ofthe times in the pedagogical manner of a good scholar.

Well, wewill also add to this part. The equipartite times, (*1he
says, pass uniformly through both thehorizon and the meridian of the right sphere; for, the zoidia both rise and setand culminate in same number of times, from all quarters, and for this reasonhe supposes these [times] to be useful for the matter before us.(*2And since no other is proposed, [the task] is now to see after how manyequipartite times the putative destructive degree comes to be beside the placeof the releaser, and since the times do not pass uniformly in every zone asupon the right sphere (for those of the rising are different, those of theculminating are different, and those of the setting are other, the differenceof which is found in the canons of ascension), for this reason, if the releasershould be found between the pivots, it is necessary to know here also after howmany equipartite times the destructive degree comes to this position; for it isnecessary that there be a certain difference in the times of the transit pastthose in the pivots.

1That is, the times along the equator.
2Because it makes sense to use them as a measure andreference.

How there isa difference and in what manner is clear from these things. For, a similar andsame place is one having on the same side a similar position in relation toboth the horizon and the meridian together. This happens most nearly to thoseplaces lying on one of the semicircles drawn through the intersections of themeridian and horizon, of which each makes, throughout that same position, anearly equal seasonal hour. And should [each semicircle] be described aroundthe said intersections, in just the manner that it goes over the same positionas the horizon and the meridian while making the times of the passage of thezodiacal [section] [over] each unequal, it likewise renders the transits forthe positions of the other distances in times unequal to [the former].(*)

*:The Hephaistio textis essentially identical to the Ptolemaic in this important passage. We willsee in later Project Hindsight translations on the Latin track howmisinterpretation of this passage gave rise to both the Placidus and Regiomontanusschemes of direction and house division.

Again,Pancharios explains this place as follows: just as we said, he says, in regardsto the obliquity of the zodiac relative to the equatorial circle, a place issimilar and the same that has a similar position on the same side relative toboth the horizon and the meridian together. And if the degree of the releaserupon the zodiac should be between the pivots, it has the same position on thesame side, if the obliquity should be present relative to the northern orsouthern [sides] of the equipartite [circle],(*) andit has a similar position in respect to the meridian and the horizon. And this
results, hesays, if by making a semicircle from the intersections of the horizon and themeridian (these sections themselves are the [meridian] height of the sphere andits diameter), and by turning it around, we should pass through this degree ofthe zodiac; and we seek another point of the zodiac equally remote from themeridian, until with the said semicircle having been carried around the sphere,it makes nearly the same seasonal hours from the meridian as those of theoriginal position. And just as, he says, when the turning is done, it was thesame position (as we said) in regard to the pivots (that is, in regard to themeridian and the horizon), while the passages of the zodiac are unequal foreach, so also, if the position is between these (that is, between the horizonand the meridian), the passage through them will be through unequal times.

*:The equatorial circle.

Inexpressing this reason he makes use of this method. For, he says, taking theculminating degree and that of the releaser (which he calls the precedentdegree) and the destructive degree (which he calls the succedent degree), heexamines how many seasonal hours distant from the meridian the precedent degreeis. This is done as follows (for it will be necessary to set out the methodmore clearly since in the entire exposition Ptolemy makes use of this method inthe most precise manner). We make the number of hours distant from the meridianas follows. We will see how many degrees of ascension on the right sphere arelaid down(*) for the Midheaven itself, and how many are laid downfor the releaser, and after subtracting the lesser number of degrees from thegreater, we will divide the remaining degrees by the hourly magnitude that islaid down for the degree of the releaser in the appropriate zone if it is abovethe earth, but if it should be below the earth (that is, in the degrees aroundthe horizon), the hourly magnitude that is laid down for its diameter, and wewill have from this the [divided] hours (or parts of hours) that the releaseris distant from the Midheaven.
Then we seewhat sort of position the succeeding place has in relation to the Midheaven,again by knowing what is laid down for it upon the right sphere and bycomparing it to those degrees of the
Midheaven whichwe have (that is, by subtracting the lesser from the greater). Having theremaining degrees of its position, then, and again knowing what is laid downfor the degree of the succeeding destroyer itself in the appropriate zone ifthe succeeding place should be above the earth, but if under the earth, what islaid down for the degree diametrical to it, and multiplying the hours that thereleaser (the precedent) is distant from the Midheaven into this hourlymagnitude, and comparing the resulting number to that of the position of thesuccedent, which we have, (that is, we subtract the lesser from the greater),and we will have the remaining times after which we will say that the succedentplace comes to the precedent, which times we will make equal in number toyears. The method itself is general and most precise; he finds it accuratelywith the releaser in every position.

*:That is, laid down or listed inthe tables.


For Ptolemy, the circuit from the aforesaidcause has been accomplished; for, having inverted it, he says that since thesections of the zodiac distant from the meridian by the same seasonal hourscome to be along one and the same of the said semicircles, it will also benecessary to find after how many equipartite times the succeeding section alsowill be distant from the meridian by seasonal hours equal to the preceding.When we have determined these, we will also investigate by how many equipartitetimes the succeeding degree at its original position was distant from thedegree of the same Midheaven, again by means of ascensions on the right sphere.[And we will investigate] how many seasonal hours it made to the preceding bymultiplying them into the number of hourly times of the succeeding degree(again, if the comparison of seasonal hours was in relation to a Midheavenabove the earth, multiplying it into the number of diurnal hours, if inrelation to a Midheaven under the earth, into the number of nocturnal hours).And by taking the result from the excess of both of the intervals, we will havethe number of years in question.

In thesepassages, as I said, he has manifestly inverted the argument in order that itshould provide the same position for the succedent place that the releaser had,by seasonal hours equal to those that the preceding place was distant from theMidheaven, and finding the multitude of times from places left over.

In orderthat what is being said should be made dearer, he says, let an illustration belaid down. And let it be supposed that the releaser is upon the beginning ofAries, and the succeeding place upon the beginning of Gemini (*in) the zonebeing that through lower Egypt. Ptolemy makes use of different position: First,that the releaser is marking the hour: and since this is six hours distant fromthe Midheaven (for the Horoskopos is 90 degrees distant from the degree at thepeak, and the magnitude of the hourly times has 15 degrees, by which the 90degrees are divided, making 6 hours), and he also takes the hourly times in thesucceeding degree (that is, in the beginning of Gemini) in the same zone, whichare approximately 17, and he multiplies the 17 times into the six hours, andthey come to 102 times. Again, it is necessary to take the original position ofthe succedent (at the beginning of Gemini) in relation to the Midheaven (thatis, in relation to the beginning of Capricorn), and finding the first degree ofGemini in the right sphere to be in 148 times, and subtracting the 102 times ofthe 6 hours, he had the remaining times of the interval, which very times aretotalled from the ascensions of Aries and Taurus in the 3rd zone.

After this,he again supposes that the releaser culminates; since it is at the very placeof the culminating degree, he makes use only of the position of the succedentupon the right sphere, and the beginning of Gemini is distant from that ofAries by 58 times.

Thirdly, hesupposes the releaser to be setting, distant from the culminating degree by 6hours. Again he multiplies these into the 17 times of the succedent, and theybecome 102 degrees. Since, then, the beginning of Cancer now culminates forthis arrangement, while the beginning of Gemini is distant from Cancer in thepreceding direction by 32 times, for this reason, after having subtracted thesetimes from 102 times, 80 times are the remainder. And the same number is foundin the case of the descensions of Ares and Taurus, that is, for as many timesas the diameters (that is, the Scales and Scorpio) ascend.

And afterthe differentiating of the 3 pivots, he supposes that the releaser is betweenthe meridian and the occidental horizon, and he sets it out that the 18thdegree of Taurus culminates. Since therefore the beginning of Aries has 15hourly times, while the 18th degree of Taurus is distant by approximately 45times on the right sphere, having divided these times by the number 15, hefinds the releaser to be 3 seasonal hours distant from the Midheaven. Andmultiplying these into the hourly magnitude of the succedent (that is, into thenumber 17), 51 results. But the beginning of Gemini is distant from theMidheaven by 13 times in the succeeding direction, which I collect togetherwith the 51 times, and approximately 64 results.

Nevertheless,it does not appear consistent with this example that he made use of theaforesaid. For it was necessary, since he supposed the releaser to be in the9th place, to investigate when it will come to the setting degree, which hecalls destructive, which he sought when the succeeding place came to thereleaser (that is, the beginning of Gemini to the beginning of Aries).

He says thatanother method is simpler, that if the releaser is found between the pivots(say, now, between the Midheaven and the Descendant), it is requisite to takethe culminations and the descensions, as in the case before us, 58 culminationsand 70 co-descensions. Then, after learning, as it is prescribed, how manyseasonal hours the releaser is distant from either one of the pivots, howevergreat a part these should be of the six seasonal hours of the quadrant, just sogreat a part of the excess of both sums we will add or subtract from the pivotsbeing compared.

For example,since of the 70 and 58 mentioned above, the excess is 12 times, while the precedingplace was laid down to be three equal seasonal hours distant from each of thepivots, which are a half-part of the six hours, by also taking half of the 12times and either adding to the 58 times or subtracting from the 70 times, wewill find the [result] to be 64 times.

Though if itwas removed from either of the pivots by two seasonal hours, which are athird-part of 6 hours, we will again take one-third of the 12 excess times,that is, 4. And if the distance of two hours had been laid down to be from theMidheaven, we would have added to the 58 times; but if from the Descendant, wewould have subtracted from the 70 times.

Such are themethods of life expectancy that Ptolemy set out. And for the rest, he adds thatit will be necessary to examine with precision, with the dispositions likewisefound for the years(*1,whether [the encounters] are terminally destructive if in addition to theencounter being afflicted, the ingress of the [time-lords](*2is found to be harmful in relation to these places themselves; or whether [theencounters] are only subject to crisis if (as was said before) one of the natalbenefics should be helpful at the time of the encounter (for when the ingressof [the benefic time-lords] is more powerful than that of the [malefics], itprovides aid); but when all are benevolent, one must suppose only torpor ormischief. Nevertheless, he said that nothing prevents [us], if the releasing isin doubt from the fact that these things have happened before, from havingconfidence for future events in those [releasing] that are more in accord withthem; nor is there anything to prevent us by way of observation from retainingall [the releasings] due to the equality of what has been found, while makingan examination of them with respect to more and less.(*3

1From context and acomparison with the Ptolemaic text this seems to refer to the establishing ofthe time-lords concurrent with the directed encounters.
2Assuming that thegenitive pronoun autori here refersback to the time-lords, since Ptolemy makes it clear at the end of histreatment of the division of the times that it is the transits of thetime-lords that are most significant.
3In other words, if according to the putative releaser thenative should either have died or had a major crisis, yet he manifestly didnot, we may not have selected the correct releaser. Ptolemy says that there isnothing wrong with trying to work backwards and see if there is a releaser thatdoes account for the times of the crisis in the native’s life, yet does notpredict crises or death when it does not occur. Alternatively, he says that wemay regard all the releasers as being equally entitled, and examine whathappened during the times when the concurrent time-lords were transiting theplaces of releasing.


For allthese reasons, Ptolemy gives us leave to consider the difficulties in regard tothe foreknowledge of the completion of the expected term of life; for, manyqualifications are dubious. And after the life has come to an end, it is easyto find the contrary dispositions, though it is difficult while the native isalive, and especially if someone chances to be unreflective of the ingresses ofthe remaining stars in accordance with the procession of years. Nevertheless,in the case of those nativities for which the releaser and the destroyer arenot in doubt, and with the ingresses and positions of the stars in accordancewith the procession of years being known, it is possible, I believe, to showeasily the completion of life. And Manetho says nearly the same things in hisverses concerning the length of life.
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12. Concerning Bodily Form and Mixture

We havealready made mention quantitatively of the bodily appearance of each of thebegotten men in our speculations concerning the Horoskcopos,(*1and pursuant to this we here add on what pertains to the revelation of thebodily mixture, since the [parts] of the body are naturally honored(*2before those of the soul, as Ptolemy says, the body having the appearances ofits unique intermixtures nearly connate with it because it is more material,...

1Seechapter 3 of this book of Hephaistio.
2protimao.Ptolemy has protupoo, which means “molded prior to.”

[AfterHephaistio's own opening, the remaining text in this chapter is a direct quotationof Ptolemy's own treatment of this topic and identical to the Ptolemaic text upto the last two paragraphs (according to the paragraphing in my translation ofBk III of the Tetrabiblos), where Hephaistio abridges the Ptolemaic text alittle. For example, where Ptolemy says "the quadrant from the springequinox to the summer solstice makes bodies of good skin, large stature,robust, with good eyes, abounding more in the wet and the hot," Hephaistiosays this same quadrant "makes same [bodies] as the star of Zeus." Noother astrologers are cited in this chapter.]
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13. Concerning Bodily Injuries and Ailments

Again wewill subjoin [this topic], telling of the [treatments] of Ptolemy(*)as well as other [treatments], and in sequence after the bodily forms heintroduces the injuries and ailments belonging to these forms. And an injury iswhat has affected the body all at one and has a pain that does not last, whilean ailment [occurs] either continuously or by seizures. It is necessary,Ptolemy says, to observe carefully the two pivots, (that is, the Ascendant andthe Descendant) and the Pre-Descendant, which is 6th from the Horoskopos, andto observe how the malefic stars chance to be configured to them. For if eitherone or both the malefics should be in these places, or should he squaring ordiametrically opposed to the degrees [pre-]ascending them, one must suspectbodily injuries and ailments for the offspring, and especially if one or bothof the lights chance to be pivotal and the malefics ascend after them or chanceto pre-ascend them.

*:In this chapter Hephaistiosubstantially reworks, rearranges, and abridges Bk III, chapter 13 of theTetrabiblos, so I have not omitted it here. In a number of places inHephaistio's version there may be some more subtle alterations of Ptolemy'smeaning. The reader is encouraged to compare the two texts.

And theparts of the zoidia surrounding the injured part of the horizon will indicatethe pan of the body, while the natures of the stars reveal the species and thecauses of the accidents. Of the zoidia, as we have said, Aries is taken for thehead; Taurus for the neck; Gemini for the shoulders and arms; Cancer for theupper chest and ribs; Leo for the heart and breast; Virgo for the belly; Librafor rump and haunches; Scorpio for the modest and seminal parts; Sagittariusfor the thighs; Capricorn for the knees; Aquarius for the legs; Pisces for thefeet.(*)

*:The assignment of body parts tothe zoidia is not found in the Ptolemaic text.

Of thestars, Kronos has authority over the human parts of the right ears, and spleen,bladder, phlegm, and bones; the star of Zeus over touch, lung, bronchial tubes,semen; the star of Ares over the left ear, kidneys, veins, and [private] parts;the Sun over sight, brain, heart, sinews, and the right-side of everything: thestar of Venus over smell, liver, flesh; the star of Hermes over speech, reason,tongue, bile, buttocks; the Moon over taste, gullet, stomach, belly, womb, andthe left-side of everything.

It is one ofthe generalities that injuries happen for the most part when the maleficsimposing the cause are oriental, while conversely there are ailments when theyare occidental.

Certainparticular [figures] have already gained exceptional scrutiny. For, impairmentof vision is produced whenever the lights should be indicative, for one of theeyes when one of the lights should be so, and for the two eyes when both shouldbe so. And especially, the Moon by herself signifies the impairment when she isin a waning phase in the aforesaid pivots, having the star of Ares or the starof Kronos or an afflicted star carried to her while this star is oriental, ifshe also applies to one of cloud-like dusters in the zodiac, as to the nebulaof Cancer (which is called the Manger) and to the Pleiades and to the arrowpoint of Sagittarius and to the sting of Scorpio and to the parts around theLock or to the pitcher of Aquarius. And if this should happen to both thelights (that is, the afflicted planets and malefics should be configured castto the Sun and west to the Moon), they will cause the impairment for both eyes:configured with Ares, from a blow or stroke, configured with Hermes, inpalaestras and gymnasiums or by attacks of malefactors; and from Kronos bychills or cataracts or glaucoma.

And fromAphrodite being present with Kronos or Arcs while they are in superior positionor diametrical Ito her], men become sterile, while women are overwhelmed withmiscarriages and premature births and abortions, and especially in Cancer andVirgo and Capricorn. And they become eunuchs or hermaphrodites or women withoutholes and orifices whenever the Moon, while waxing, should apply to the star ofAres while Kronos testifies to Hermes. And with the lights and the star ofAphrodite being masculinized, and with the Moon waning and the malefics beingcarried to Aphrodite and the Moon, the men become castrated or have their partsinjured, and especially in Aries, Leo, Scorpio, Capricorn, Aquarius; the womenbecome childless and sterile.

Sometimessuch natives do not remain without injury to sight; but when the star of Hermesand the star of Kronos arc present together upon the said pivots, they willhave the tongue impeded, and especially when the star of Hermes should also beunder the beams when the Sun is setting.119 And when the star of Ares should beconfigured with them, it loosens the impediment of the tongue.

*:It is interesting that thePtolemaic text here has "and especially when the star of Hermes shouldalso be occidental and both are configured
to the Moon." According to Hephaistio's word usage, 'occidental'would seem to be synonymous with being under the beams.

Again, ifthe lights should be carried to the matches upon pivots, either at the sametime or diametrically, or if the marches should be carried to the lights, andespecially when the Moon is upon the nodes or the bendings (that is, in thesouthern or northern extremity) or upon the blameworthy Midi& such asAries, Taurus, Cancer, Scorpio, Capricorn, the natives become humpbacked orcrippled or lame. When the malefics arc diametrical, they for the most partcause dangers from hanging or collapses or quadrupeds or attacks of robbers,and especially when Hermes should be present or look on an the most part,injuries come about when the Moon is near the spring equinox through whiteleprosy; near the summer solstice through lichens: near the autumn equinoxthrough leprosy: and near the winter solstice, through moles and the like.

But aimentsare apt to result whenever the middies should be configured upon the abovepositions, though in the opposite manner (that is, west with respect to the Sunand cast with respect to the Moon). And again in general, Kronos makes thenatives full of phlegm. emanated, cold in the belly, prone to dropsy,jaundiced, prone to coughing, vomiting, colic and those with elephantiasis; italso makes women prone to disorders of the womb. The star of Ares makes thenatives liable to spit blood, melancholic, diseased in the lungs. thaw withscabies, and m addition, it makes the natives continually irritated by cuts orcauterizing of the hidden parts on account of fistulas and hemorrhoids ortumors, or also burning ulcers or sores and furthermore, it is apt to overwhelmwomen with miscarriages or abortions.

The star ofHennes cooperates with them, especially for the intensification of theill-effects, with the star of Kronos in the direction of the colder, andrheumatisms and accumulations of fluids especially of the around the chest andthroat and stomach; and with the star of Ares by being strong in the directionof the dryer, as in the cases of ulcerated eyelids and eschars and abscess anderysipelas and wild lichens and black bile, or madness or the sacred disease.

In aparticular manner, when Cancer and Capricorn and Pisces and, on the stole, theterrestrial and the piscine zoidia, chance to be upon the place of thosefurnishing the cause with regard to life, they cause ailments through ulcersand lichens or scales or scrofula or fistulas elephantiasis. Sagittarius andGemini cause ailments through falling sickness or seizures. And when the starsare encountered in the last degrees of the twelfth-parts, they cause ailmentsand injuries, especially in regard to the extremities. With these thing being so,if none of the benefics should be configured with the malefics which impose thecauses, the ailments will become Incurable and painful; but when these[benefits] are looting on, they became easily alleviated and moderate, and attimes even easy to get rid of.

The[treatments] of Dorotheus are likewise in accord with these.

One mustexamine these [figures], he says: if the 6th zoidion is bestial or moist, orthe lord of this domicile is itself in such a place, it causes injury; andKronos injuries through fluxes; Ares through burning or bites of wild beasts orby being taken captive by a spear, but when it is occidental, through coughingup blood; and when Zeus is afflicted, it causes some bad injury through thedrinking of wine, and at times also it swells the liver.(*)

*:This passage clearly correlateswith IV 1, 66-71 of the Arabic version of Dorotheus in Pingree's translation.One thing that is interesting from comparing the passages is that Hephaistio isclearly using the term 'occidental' more in the manner of Paulus than ofPtolemy, for the more expanded Arabic version speaks of Ares being"covered up under the Sun's light" where Hephaistio simply says"occidental."
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14. Concerning the Lot of Injury

The Lot ofInjury is taken for day births from Kronos to Ares and an equal amount from theHoroskopos, but in the case of nocturnal births from Ares to Kronos, and it isnecessary to examine the lord of the place at which it falls out, how it issituated, and what the zoidion signifies in relation to parts of the body; wesay that the injury is there.(*1 AndDorotheus says that it is necessary to examine the trigon lords of thesubterraneous pivot, and accept the lord of the sect for the quality of death,and the second lord for injury. It is requisite, then, to examine how this[lord] lies in the nativity in relation to [it] and to the Lot of Injury (whichwe explained before), and to declare accordingly; for, the accord of many bearsa truth that is known well.(*2

"Whenit is carried beyond the culminating zoidion."

not onlywhen the Moon is in the subterraneous pivot, as he said, are the natives bornshort, but again when it is near to conjunction(*3along with Kronos, and in the occidental horizon; for by observation it wasfound thus.

1Compare the Arabic version of Dorotheus, IV 1, 75 for thislot.
2Compare the Arabic version of Dorotheus, IV 1, 81-83.
3With the Sun.



15. Concerning Quality of Soul

We havealready made mention of these [issues] in the treatments hitherto; for, thequalifies that pertain to the soul are quantitatively124 subsequent to thecorporeal mature. And since Ptolemy made mention of these issues in a waypeculiar to him,125 we will lain quote the principal matters from his[expositions], with abridgements. Of such qualities, those concerning the morenoetic and rational part are grasped through the condition that is studied inaccordance with the star of Hermes; those concerning the part that isnon-rational and that pertains to character126 from the Moon and from the starsconfigured with her in separations and applications. They are also graspedthrough the zoidia in which Hermes and the Moon are found: and furthermore fromthe stars that assume the predomination over them; and again, from theirfigures in relation to the Sun and the pivots.

*:ethikoi. The received Ptolemaictext has aisthenkos (pertaining to sensation) here, which is no smalldifference.

[In thedetailed delineations that constitute the remainder of this chapter, Hephaistiodoes what he says in his first paragraph, mostly abridging, occasionally addingor substituting. He gives such detailed delineations for Kronos and Zeus, bothalone and with the co-rulership of the other planets. He breaks off with Ares,saying that the remaining delineations can be conjectured from the nature andpower of those stars. He concludes with an abridgment of Ptolemy's descriptionof the contribution of the Moon and the Sun to the quality of soul.]



16. Concerning Ailments of the Soul

We havelikewise already made mention of these matters also, but since [Ptolemy] setsthem out in a manner of his own, in following him we will quote the same withabridgment.

Epileptics,for the most part, are all those who, when the Moon and the star of Hermes (aswe said) are unconnected to each other and to the rising horizon, have the starof Kronos by day and the star of Ares by night pivotal and scrutinizing theabove figure....

[Hephaistioomits Ptolemy's general introductory remarks to this topic (first twoparagraphs in Bk III, chapter 15 of my translation of Tetrabiblos), quotes therest virtually word for word, with only slight abridgments toward the end.]





17. Concerning Fortune Pertaining to Acquisition

In theexternal matters, it is requisite for the circumstances surrounding acquisitionto be connected with bodily affinities and accordingly to come first. It willbe necessary, then, to examine the Lot of Fortune, as Ptolemy says in aknowledgeable manner, which always has the interval from the Sun to the Moonand is projected from the Horoskopos. It is requisite, then, to investigate thestars that assume the rulership of the twelfth-part upon which it falls, andhow these stars share in power and familiarity....

[Theremainder of this chapter is nearly identical to chapter 2 of BK IV of theTetrabiblos, with a few minor and unimportant abridgments. There is oneaddition. The Hephaistio text adds that "when Kronos is simply trine toZeus, even apart from the Lot of Fortune, it produces those who are exceedinglyrich."]
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18. Concerning Fortune Pertaining to Rank

Also, thefortune pertaining to rank was connected to the affinities of the soul. It willbe necessary, then, to examine matters of rank and the happiness of such bothfrom the disposition of the lights and the familiarity of the starsspear-bearing for them. For when both the lights are pivotal in masculinezoidia, or again both of them, or even one of them, and especially the light ofthe sect, also has the five stars spear-bearing,(*1east relative to the Sun and west relative to the Moon, the offspring will bekings. And if the spear-bearing and responsible stars should be pivotal,(*2[the natives] will become great and powerful and world-rulers; and they will beeven more happy if the spear-bearing stars are configured to the right of thepivot under(*3 the earth. But with the other thingsbeing so, if the Sun alone should be in a masculine zoidion while the Moon isin a feminine one, and one of the lights is pivotal, the natives will be onlygovernors, lords of life and death. And if in addition to these, thespear-bearing stars should not be pivotal or should not testify to the pivots,the natives will be merely great and will be in the particular rank thatpertains to the wearing of wreaths or of guardianship or of military command,and not in that of governors. And if the lights should not be pivotal, but mostof the spear-bearing stars are either pivotal or configured with the pivots, theywill not come into the ranks that arc more outstanding, but into politicalleadership and a modest degree of expectation concerning their livelihood;though if the spear-bearing stars are not associated with the pivots, [thenatives] are rendered obscure in their actions and without advancement. Andfinally, they become abject and unhappy in their fortunes whenever neither ofthe lights chances to be either pivotal(*4in a masculine zoidion, or chances to have benefics as spear-bearers.

1Hephaistio's Greek text is slightly different thanPtolemy's here, representing one possible reading of an ambiguity in thePtolemy text as we have it. My translation of the Ptolemaic passage (Bk IV,chapter 3) reads,
"For When both the lights are in masculine zoidia, andagain both of them, or even one of them, are pivotal, and especially when thelight of the sect also has the five stars spear-bearing..."

The difference is that Hephaistio's text forces the pivotalcondition back on both the lights, whereas my translation assigns it to one orboth the lights. However, my own translation is in error in the last part. Thecorrect version of the alternative I am suggesting in my own translation shouldread,
"For when both the lights are in masculine zoidia, andagain both of them, or even one of them, arc pivotal, especially the light ofthe sect, with the five stars also spear-bearing..."

2The Ptolemaic text adds here "or configured to thepivot above the earth."
3The Ptolemaic text has "pivot above the earth."
4The Ptolemaic text clearly has "whenever neither ofthe lights chances to be either pivotal or in a masculine zoidion, or chancesto have benefics as spear-bearers," again a somewhat important differencecorresponding to the different readings mentioned in the first note to thissection.

[Hephaistioomits the remainder of Ptolemy's chapter.]

We aresetting out both these things to which Ptolemy gave heed and the treatments byothers and Dorotheus, in order that we may derive the concord of truth frommany approved [treatments]. Dorotheus, then, makes his examination from thetrigon lords, as follows.

"Thosehaving authority over the triangle in which Helios is god"

And he saysthat it is also necessary to examine how the lords of the Hour and theMidheaven and of Life(*1 lie inthe nativity (for if they should be found to be well situated, they signifyfine things; if situated in the opposite manner, the opposite things; and ifsituated moderately, moderate things). It is also necessary to examine the Lotof Fortune according to him (that is, from Sun to Moon and an equal amount fromthe horoskopos in diurnal nativities, and from Moon to Sun and likewise anequal amount from the horoskopos in nocturnal nativities), and what kind ofstars see the Lot and how they are situated. If then the lord of the Lot shouldbe found in a bad place and the benefics are in aversion to the Moon, while themalefics are pivotal or ascending,(*2 knowthat the native who chances to have it so will be unfortunate; but if they(*3should be in their proper places and should scrutinize the Moon (clearly, withthem seeing the Lot), know that the native will be fortunate. Again, it weshould find the malefics in the nativity to be pivotal, with the beneficsreturning,(*4 and again if the Moon should beseparating from the malefic, but applying to benefits, such natives will havegood fortune in the last part of their lives. When they are allotted the secondplace of livelihood.....135

1The second zoidion in a whole-sign house system.
2epanerchomai. This is probably synonym for'post-ascending,' but the word could also mean 'returning.'
3Context would suggest that the malefics are meant here.
4epanerchomai again.
5Apparent lacuna here.

Nevertheless,others of the ancients (one of whom is Porphyry) have said that maleficschancing to be in the 11th place must not do harm,(*1likewise, it is requisite for those causing [the natives] harm to take over asthe age advance. Again, he says, count from the lord of second place up to thesecond itself and project an equal amount from the Hour, and again examine thatzoidion upon which it falls out,(*2 whatkind of stars it has and how they are situated, similarly to the above[discussions] related to this topic, and make a declaration. And if beneficsshould see the place, they signify good things; if malefics, bad things. And ifone of the benefics should see the place when it is occidental and about to beoriental after 7 days,(*3 itwill thus furnish wealth and weal.

1That is, if the native is to be fortunate.
2This is the Lot of Livelihood. Since a whole-sign housesystem is intended here, we must take the interval from the lord of the secondup to the beginning of the second zoidion. This lot does not reverse by night.
3Because the interval from occidentality to orientality isonly 7 days here, it seems likely that Dorotheus was using the definition ofoccidentality that considers t to be synonymous with being under the beams,while orientality means that a planet has already heliacally risen. Cf. Paulus'Introductory Matters, chapter 14.

Also,concerning all the lots he gives this command: if the lot should occupy a goodzoidion and its lord is either in this zoidion or in such a good place and outof the beams, it brings very many good things in the nativity; but if it shouldbe under the beams or just about to go into concealment, whatever they signify,he says,
"driesup quickly when falling under the light within a short interval."

And he alsosays this: examine which of the stars in the nativity first arrives at theplace of the Moon or that of the Horoskopos; for, in being
the first to arrive at these places, thisstar will reveal the measure of the fortune. And he makes an examination of thenativities in such a manner, as he sets out:
"And wewill traverse all and each topic of the nativity that you may learn”(*)

*:Most of this Dorotheus materialcan be found in different places in Bk I, chapters 20, 21, 24, 25, 26 of theArabic version of Dorotheus as translated by Pingree.


Now, weshould also add here the manner in which others (those around Petosiris andNechepso, and of them, Antigonus of Nicaca) did indeed investigate nativities.


Someone wasborn, he said, having the Sun at the 8th degree of Aquarius: the Moon and Zeusand the Horoskopos, all three upon the first degree of the same zoidionAquarius; Kronos at the 10th degree of Capricorn; Hermes with him at the 12thdegree; Aphrodite at the 12th degree of Pisces; Ares with her at the 22nddegree; the Midheaven at the 22nd degree of Scorpio.140 Such a one, having beenadopted as a son by a certain emperor who was of the same family, likewisebecame emperor himself around his 42nd year. Being wise and educated, he washonored like a god with shrines and sacred precincts. And though he was joinedto one wife from her maidenhood, he was childless. Also, he had one sister, andhe was engaged in rebellions and discord with his relatives. When he came toabout his 63rd year, he died, falling victim to a shortness of breath caused bydropsy.

140 This is thought to be the natal data of the Romanemperor Hadrian. The first few paragraphs are also found in Neugebauer and VanHoesen's Greek Horoscopes, No. L76, p. 90.


And thereason why these things happened to him is investigated in this manner. He becameemperor because the two lights were on the Horoskopos, and especially becausethe Moon was in sea and applying to the Horoskopos to the degree and also toZeus, which is going to make its morning appearance after seven days,141 andsince the spear-bearers of these stars142 were themselves found to befamiliarly [situated],143 n with Aphrodite present in her own exaltation, andAres making a position in his own trigon and in his own degrees,144 both intheir own places and ascending after the Moon. And in addition, the lord of thecosmos, the Sun, was a spear-bearer to her, being in the degrees following her,and itself had Kronos as a spear-bearer, in its own domicile, and Hermes aswell, both being at their morning rising. It must also be indicative that theMoon is about to apply to one of the bright non-wandering stars at the 20thdegree;145 for, it is not only necessary to examine the application of the Moonto planets, but also to the non-wandering stars.
He came tobe of good size and manly and gracious because the two lights were pivotal, andeven on the Horoskopos, and they were in a masculine zoidion of human shape. Hewas wise and educated and profound because of Hermes chancing to be at itsmorning appearance, with Kronos in the twelfth zoidion, and spear-bearing forthe Sun. And such was brought about from an early age owing to the [morning]appearance; for always the morning risers produce something from youth, whilethe evening risers show their activities progressively.

141 The standard idealized interval for heliacal rising ofa planet was 15 degrees. The Sun is presently 7 degrees ahead of Jupiter in theorder of zoidia. In another 7 days the Sun will be about 15 degrees distant,and Jupiter will first be seen as a morning star, having emerged from the glareof the Sun.
142 That is, the Sun and Moon.
143 The Greek way of expressing that a planet is dignified.
144 That is, in his own bounds (terms).
145 It is not clear what this star is.

And it isnecessary to examine whether the lord of the place at the peak146 is wellsituated and sees its place. For when it is oriental, it makes the nativesnotable and effective and hard to overcome, and also when it is occidental ifit is not poorly situated, as is the case in the theme147 before us (Ares, thelord of Scorpio, also being uncorrupted in Pisces in its own trigon and in itsown degrees and seeing148 the place at the peak). But if the lord of the placeat the peak is poorly situated, it causes the opposite. And if ever the mastersof the unprofitable places chance to be upon profitable places, they point tomoderation in life. For, the star of Zeus provided that which is of goodjudgment and high-minded and munificent and effective in the forelyingdisposition, since it is on the Horoskopos and is spear-bearing for the Sun andis on the same pivot as the Moon. The cause of his having many legaladversaries and many who plotted against him was from the two lights that comprisethe power being enclosed149 by the two malefics, with Kronos being at itsmorning rising and spear-bearing, and Ares being at its evening [setting]. Thathe prevailed over the hostility of such persons resulted especially from Hermesbeing with Kronos in the domicile of Kronos and both chancing to be in thetwelfth place.

146 A common Greek expression for the Midheaven.
147 Theme is one of the Greek words for a chart, somethingset before us.
148 That is, aspecting the Midheaven. Most Greek aspectwords refer to looking ahead in the order of the zoidia, but not this time.
149 In the later tradition this condition is calledbesieging.

That he washonored and reverenced by all resulted from Zeus' spear-bearing for the Sunwhile being upon a pivot; for, being spear-bearer to the Sun and Moon in thisfashion always makes the native extolled and attended and reverenced by thosewho are equally honored or even more highly honored; the beneficence also holdstrue because of Zeus' chancing to be so situated. That he was both beneficentto many in this manner and reverenced by many, resulted (as I was saying) fromthe pivotal position of the Sun and Moon, which have the five planets as spear-bearerswhile being familiarly situated. For every time that the Sun or the Moon or bothchance to be on the active pivots especially (that is, the pivot of theHoroskopos or the Midheaven) and have all the stars as spear-bearers in afitting manner, they make the offspring who are in such a condition kings whohold sway over numerous nations.
But sinceHermes and Kronos happen to be in the twelfth place at their morning rising,spear-bearing for the Sun, they make the native wise, educated, and notwell-intentioned but rather treacherous.



That such aone was joined to one woman from maidenhood did not here result from Aphrodite,but from the Moon being carried under the beams of the Sun. And generallyspeaking, keep in mind in the case of every theme, when Aphrodite chances to beupon a pivot or upon a post-ascensional zoidion,150 and the Moon makes an applicationto Aphrodite and to other planets that happen to be co-present with Aphrodite,or testifying to her, it procures marriages151 for those who are so born. Andif the Moon only makes an application to Aphrodite, it is indicative of asingle marriage. Rut if the Moon makes an application neither to Aphrodite norto one of the planets present with her or testifying to her, and the Moon isbeing carried to its full or new moon phase, and Aphrodite herself should bepresent with one star, in this manner it also makes for a single marriage, justas in the case of the nativity beige us.

150 That is, a succedent house (using the whole-sign housesystem).
151 That is, more than one marriage.



And thematter of the single sister for someone so born will similarly be demonstratedfrom the application of the Moon; for, the Moon was applying only to the starof Zeus up to her conjunctive Chase with the Sun. But if she had made anapplication to several ether by contact or by witnessing,152 he would have hadseveral siblings; for, as many times as natives so born have the natal Moon applyingto certain stars up to a phase, just so many siblings will they have. Let thisalso be kept in mind by you, that for the application of the Moon, sincebenefics give siblings while malefics take them away, the benefics also become distributorsof good siblings whet they make appearances upon the pivots or upon thepost-ascending zoidia if they chance to be present with the lights andfamiliarly situated, while the malefics become deprivers of siblings whoeverthey should be present with the lights and unfamiliarly situated. And one mustalso look at the differences of the zoidia, slice if the zoidia that providefor the matter of siblings happen to be bicorporeal or tropical or fecund, theybecome a cause of having many siblings. But why did the Moon not give amasculine sibling since it was applying to the masculine star of Zeus? Becausewho the Sun is marking the hour in a masculine zoidion and accepting an applicationof the Moon, it for the most part becomes the cause of the fewness of masculinesiblings.

152 Applying bodily or applying an aspect.


The positionof the Sun around the Horoskopos brought it about that this one becamechildless; for, the Sun having dealings upon the Ascendant always becomes acause of childlessness. Why was he engaged in offenses against his relatives?Because of the position of Hermes with Kronos. And what was the cause of such aone being adopted as a son? The star of Zeus making an appearance on the samepivot as the Moon in the first zoidion.

What causedhis dropsy and shortness of breath and the change of his life to an evil death?Because the two lights were enclosed by the malefics, with all the stars havinga position in watery zoidia, the Descendant being in a terrestrial zoidion andenclosed by malefics0 by a figure,153 we would say that the cause of the dropsyand the shortness of breath was made clear ahead of time from these things; foralways, when the destroyers enclose the Sun or the Moon against the pivots, thecauses of evil death come about.

153 Evidently the oppositions to Ares and Kronos, enclosingthe Descendant.

It is notonly necessary to examine these, but also the third and seventh and fortiethday of the birth, just as in the nativity before us, in the fortieth day154 theMoon is found in Cancer, Ares in Aries, and it results that on that day the twomalefics see the Moon, Kronos diametrically and Arcs from a square on theright; this also, then, became a cause of his evil death. And it is not onlynecessary to observe the Moon in these days, but also how the other stars aresituated, as in the case of the nativity.

154 Here we have an indication that the fortieth day of theMoon was used to establish quality of death.


Afterfilling up how much time of life did such a one die? [The Moon] herself, havingbeen found upon the degree of the Horoskopos, becomes the releaser.155 Andafter living for as many years as there are degrees of ascension from the Moonup to the side of a square156 (that is, the first degree of Taurus), he willdie; and when she applies to the malefics or to the Sun in the degrees inbetween, it will cause a crisis."157

Such is thetreatment of the first nativity, then, as Antigonus set it out concisely fromthe things said by the ancients.


155 The releaser, or apheta, is in this case the planetthat is directed.
156 It was standard Hellenistic doctrine that one could notlive for more years than the ascensional degrees up to a square, although onecould obviously live for fewer years. Valens repudiated this doctrine since hehad seen counter-examples.
157 When the directed planet (in this case the Moon)encounters a malefic bodily or applies to one of its aspects, this wasunderstood to cause a life crisis, sometimes resulting in death. It is notclear from this passage what directive method is being used.


Next he alsomade mention of the second nativity, as follows. Let it be the case thatsomeone has the Sun in Aries around 19 degrees, in the bounds of Hermes; theMoon in Gemini in the 15th degree, in the bounds of Aphrodite; Kronos in Libraaround 20 degrees, acronycal; Zeus in Aquarius in the 6th degree, in the boundsof Hermes in a morning rising; Ares in Aries around 15 degrees, in the boundsof Hermes; Aphrodite likewise in Aries around 5 degrees, in the bounds of Zeus;and Hermes in Aries around 6 degrees, in the bounds of Zeus (with these threefurthermore being subject to setting); the Horoskopos in Cancer in the 24thdegree. Ares, he says, will rule over the nativity.158 The third day of theMoon will be in Cancer, the seventh in Virgo, and the fortieth in Scorpio.159

158 It is not clear what system is being used here todetermine Ares as the ruler of the nativity. It is not the domicile ruler ofthe next sign after the natal sign of the Moon (as advocated by FirmicusMaternus); nor is it the bound lord of the dominant light (which is hereHermes, bound lord of the Sun). It is also hard to see how it could be aquasi-Ptolemaic system either, since the domicile lord of the Sun is Ares, theexaltation lord the Sun (which cannot qualify as ruler of the nativity), thetrigon ruler is the Sun (again excluded), the bound lord Hermes, and the planetmaking the closest aspect is Kronos. Perhaps Antigonus simply used the domicilelord of the predominating light.
159 This is No. L40 in Neugebauer and van Hoesen's GreekHoroscopes, p. 79.

The onehaving the stars so situated will be distinguished among those who aredistinguished,160 a man of authority who punishes many, very wealthy because ofthe trigon (with Kronos and Zeus and the Moon being in it), but one who is notunjustly accused because of the position of Ares and Hermes upon the Midheaven,both being under the beams, and distinguished because of the 4 stars thatchance to be in the Midheaven, and because of the prenatal conjunction; for nosmall power occurs with the prenatal conjunction whenever it chances to be upona pivot, especially the Horoskopos and the Midheaven. And he happens to beinattentive with regard to female intercourse and sordid with regard to maleintercourse, especially because of Ares having position with Aphrodite andHermes in Aries, which is licentious, and because of Aphrodite being seen byKronos diametrically, and in addition because of all the stars themselves beingin masculine zoidia. Now, since the Sun is upon its own exaltation and upon theMidheaven and has as spear-bearers the stars ascending before it in the samezoidion and also Zeus in Aquarius (for they remain spear-bearers up to thepre-ascending square position), the theme rendered the native splendid,perhaps, and very notable. Likewise, the Moon waxing in a triangular figure inrelation to Kronos and Zeus made the native happy and very wealthy and one whoprovides many offerings and gifts to his fatherland. And let this not escapeyour notice, nor that with all or most of the stars in their own zoidia orplaces, it contributes to making dignified and notable men. The length of lifeof this native is known from the releasing of the Sun and from its squareposition, because it is in an opportune place and the prenatal conjunctionoccurred in the same zoidion.


160 Neugebauer translates this as ''very distinguished, ofvery distinguished (ancestors)."




It isrequisite, then, to examine the given nativities in this manner; and so hemakes mention of another and third nativity of someone, whom, he says, engagedin his own destruction and that of his forefathers around the 25th year. He hadthe Sun and the Horoskopos in Aries; the Moon in Taurus; Kronos in Aries,making an appearance with a morning rising after three days; Hermes likewise inAries in a morning setting; Zeus in Pisces in a morning rising; Aphrodite in Piscesin a morning station; Arcs in Aquarius in a morning rising; the Lot of Fortunefalls on Taurus. The star of Ares, he says, rules over the nativity.161 Thethird day of the Moon is in Gemini, the seventh in Leo, the fortieth inLibra.162


161 Here again, as in the previous nativity, the onlyfeature that seems to distinguish Ares as ruler of the nativity is the factthat it is domicile ruler.
162 This is NO. L113, IV Neugebauer and van Hoesen’s GreekHoroscopes, p. 108.

Such a onewas from a great and distinguished family. I mean that the father and motherwere most highly esteemed, though they died violent deaths; for, the native,though born with great expectations and though it seemed at that time that hewould come into the kingship, being ill- advised around his 25th year, made amistake, and engaging in an accusation directed at the kingship, was killedwith a certain older man (engaging in treachery because of him), with themembers of his family being dismissed to humble [conditions]. That he becamedistinguished was because the Sun is in the Horoskopos and has spear-bearers;that he was ill-advised was because Hermes and Kronos chanced to be in thedomicile of Ares; that one of those of his family perished was because of thesame figure; that he was cut in pieces was because the Moon is in Taurus, anamputated zoidion, and because Ares hurls rays at the post-ascension of theMidheaven; that the harm was from a man was because Ares is in a zoidion ofhuman shape; that he was erotic was because of Aphrodite and Zeus; that he wasfond of fighting was because the star of Ares is upon the post-ascension of theMidheaven and Hermes is in the domicile of Ares; and that he died badly aroundthe 25th year was, he said, because the ascension163 was the same (ofTaurus
and of Aquarius, I believe).

163 Taurusand Aquarius are zoidia of equal ascension. The ascensional time of each ofthese zoidia is 25, for both the A and B Babylonian systems; thus, somedirective method is implied here in the determination of length of life,probably the direction of the Sun or the Horoskopos in Aries (the degrees arenot given) to a sextile ray cast by Ares in Aquarius. Ptolemy (Bk III, 11, p.39of my translation) says that hexagonal ray can be destructive if it involveszoidia of seeing or hearing (which latter are similar to zoidia of equalascension).

Next, inmaking mention of other nativities, he also made careful observations of asimilar kind, and in these nativities he says that when Aphrodite has declinedfrom the place at the peak, in a unique manner it always causes instability formen in matters concerning women; but when Ares has himself declined from theplace at the peak, in a unique manner it likewise causes instability for womenin matter concerning men. And he says that every time the Moon or some of thewandering stars chance to be upon some pivot, increasing in longitude andlatitude, along with one of the non-wandering bright stars – for example, withthe so-called royal star164 upon the heart of Leo at about the 5thdegree – they make the fortunes greater and most highly esteemed; and they alsocause the same thing upon the 5th degree of Aquarius.165 Also whenthe Moon is parallel in latitude with [the one] upon the 15th degreeof Taurus, 167 it makes the native wealthy, thrifty, and great men. Chancing tobe upon the 27th degree,168 it likewise makes brilliant leaders,active and religious men every one. Being parallel to the bright star upon the30th degree,169 it makes leaders or brilliant admirals; and similarthings also come about upone the 7th degree of Scorpio,170 as itmakes friends of kings or cruel deputies and makes the native venturesome andthose who spend time away from home, warlike. In this manner, he says, one mustalso conjecture in the case of the other non-wandering stars.

164 Regulus.
165 ProbablyFomalhaut.
167Aldebaran.
168 Bellatrix.
169 ProbablyAlnilam.
170 ProbablyAntares.

Again, hesays those who have the Moon applying to benefics while making a separationfrom bright stars, these native will be subordinate to those who have the Moonparallel to one of the bright stars by zoidion. And they are not thosesuffering violent death; for some degrees are ones of services, just as theking Nechepso says in his general [treatise]. In the case of nativities oflittle repute, you will find the Moon subtractive in longitude and in latitudeand in light and being carried to malefic; for in this manner it makes thenatives weak with respect to their bodies and ready to take offense withrespect to their souls.

Also, inmaking a collection from the books of the Salmeschoimaka,171 he speaks in thesame manner as it is there. And one must also examine the decans, since thefirst decan of the Horoskopos deals with birth; the 28th from the Horoskopos,which culminates early, deals with livelihood; the 25th, which culminates atnoon, deals with sickness; the [1]9th, which rises late in the cast, deals withinjury; the 17th, which rises in the west, deals with marriage and wives; the8th, door of Hades, deals with children, the one in the subterraneous [pivot]dealswith death. These are the places that the ancient Egyptians used in everynativity.

171 This no longer extant book of early Hellenisticastrology was evidently composed prior to the treatise of Nechepso andPetosiris, since it is cited in that treatise itself. The title means somethinglike “Pictures.”

Let suchtreatments, then, concerning the soul and livelihood and advancement, have beenset out; and we will begin another subject likewise according to our sequence.
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第十九至第三十六章。

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